Introduction (00:00:00):
[Intro audio: “There is a Dark Place,” by Tom Rosenthal]
Jordan (00:29):
Hi, I’m Jordan.
Lex:
And I’m Lex,
Jordan:
And this is Or, Learn Parkour.
Lex:
It’s a podcast about ADHD and sadly, not parkour. Although I did meet someone recently who used to do parkour, so maybe, you know, we can get them on for their expert advice.
Jordan:
The times they are a changing. Or, Learn Parkour is actually about parkour.
Lex:
Yeah.
Jordan:
Never thought I’d see the day.
Lex:
Parkour, I haven’t heard that name in years. Just the good old Matthew McConaughey.
Jordan:
I was, like, yeah, that was my smoking impression from someone who has clearly never smoked. But that’s what that was for anyone who was wondering.
Lex:
Well, that was my dead-on impersonation, or impression I should say, of Matthew McConaughey in True Detective. Thank you very much.
Jordan:
Oh, you nailed it. Thank you.
Lex:
So, welcome back to the podcast. We do it every other week and it is about ADHD and we both have ADHD, which if you don’t know,
Jordan:
Now you know.
Lex (01:36):
Now you know. But also if you didn’t, it’s pretty clear, pretty obvious. We’re all over the place all the time.
Jordan:
Speaking of all over the place, do you know where I was today? On another podcast.
Lex:
Today?
Jordan:
Yeah.
Lex.
Oh.
Jordan:
Yeah.
Lex:
I thought you did another podcast, like, two weeks ago, or last week.
Jordan:
I mean, I did, but the episode came out today, the 21st.
Lex:
I see. I was like, when did you record it? What? Hello? You’ve been at work all day. What? Okay.
Jordan:
No, I’ve been slowly needling my boss at- context, I work in marketing- that we should start a, like, podcast production offshoot. And it finally worked. No, it didn’t.
Lex:
Well, I was like, wow, this is where you just- okay.
Jordan:
I was just sitting on this. No, no, I wish. Someday. I’m still holding out hope. I’m holding out for a hero till the end of the night. But last weekend I got to chat with the wonderful Nadine from Special Needs Supermom podcast. And the episode dropped today, the day we’re recording this, which is the 21st. So, by the time this hits you, dear audience, it’ll be super duper out.
Lex:
Yeah.
Jordan:
I’m coming out. Okay. Go listen to it. It was fun. Nadine’s great.
Lex:
I’m coming out and you better get this party started.
Jordan:
Okay. I’m coming.
Lex:
So, that’s awesome. So stoked to listen to that myself and hear Jordo’s lovely, lovely voice and opinions and thoughts. Most likely in a much more coherent and intelligible fashion.
Jordan (03:03):
It’s still me. I still have ADHD.
Lex (03:06):
No, but, like, you don’t have me there though. You know, like, you, you at least had a fighting chance. You didn’t have the negative brain cell leeching away at you.
Jordan (03:15):
I think you’re giving me too much credit.
Lex:
Okay. That’s fair.
Jordan:
But we’ll leave it up to you, dear audience. Go take a listen. Let us know what you think. Vis-a-vis chaos levels. And then come back and listen to the rest of this episode, please. Because today we’re going to be talking about-
Lex (03:29):
That was, like, the weakest drum roll. No, just do, like, a, just do a roll, you know. Just-
Jordan:
Oh, there it is.
Lex:
Anyways, my nieces and nephews have my mom call me, or FaceTime me, more often than not to make my Wookie noise for them because they love Star Wars and their aunt can do a decent Wookie impression. That’s me. I am the aunt who can do a Wookie impression. And my two-year-old nephew, he calls me Boobacca. Boobacca. He can’t say Chewbacca so he calls me Boobacca.
Jordan:
Which is objectively way better.
Lex:
Oh, not, not going to knock Chewie.
Jordan (04:18):
Oh, I don’t have anything against Chewie. This is, this is a Chewie-friendly zone. But just the sheer power, which I think does exist, must exist in context with the original Chewbacca. But the sheer power of Boobacca.
Lex (04:36):
Yeah, no. Having a two-year-old look up at you in awe and wonder with a smile slowly spreading across his little face as he just says Boobacca. And then you realize that you’re Boobacca now.
Jordan:
You are.
Lex:
I am become Boobacca.
Jordan (04:54):
You have received your destiny.
Lex (04:57):
Assigned, assigned Boobacca at your two-year-old nephew’s house. Um, so yeah, all that to say the drum roll. Back to that. We’re talking about holistic remedies for ADHD.
Jordan (05:12):
Join us on this journey of health and wellness.
Lex (05:16):
See how we can center ourselves, our essences and open our fourth eyes. It’s beyond the third, bet you didn’t know that one had [inaudible] bonus eye- where we are going to discuss how to fix and cure your ailment of ADHD.
Jordan (05:38):
Connect to your inner divine energy and become neurotypical.
Lex (05:44):
Pull your finger out of your ass.
Jordan (05:47):
Yeah. That’s, that’s a steaming crock o’ poop.
Lex (05:50):
Yeah. I- context- we’ve talked about holistic health before. We don’t necessarily have anything against the holistic health, like, sort of, movement.
Jordan (05:58):
Yeah, yeah, no, there are definitely, like, things besides medication that can help with your ADHD.
Lex (06:05):
Yeah.
Jordan:
But nothing’s going to cure it. That’s not how that works.
Lex:
Well- and I think there’s a lot of discourse going around right now about, you know, is ADHD a disability. Like, is it a debilitating problem or is it a gift, or a super power? And I know how I feel about all of it, which is, like, I don’t think it’s any of those things. And it’s also all of those things and people are allowed to feel how they want to feel about their own brains. So, I will leave it at that. But given the sort of discourse going around and the fact that it’s April. So, you know, we got some good, good hippie holidays up in here, like Earth Day, uh, and also 4/20.
Jordan:
Happy 4/20, mom.
Lex:
And you know, it just felt like a good time to do something that is a little bit less labor intensive for us because there’s a lot going on in the world, also. So, side note, take care of yourselves, take care of each other, take care of your communities because we got to do it or else nobody will clearly, but yeah. Yeah. So.
Jordan (07:12):
So, we’re gonna talk about some holistic or alternative ADHD techniques. And if we’ve tried them, if they’ve worked for us and just get earthy with it.
Lex (07:24):
Yeah. We’re just going to get real crunchy. We’re just going to dig deep.
Jordan (07:27):
I’m just going to put a handful of potting soil into my mouth.
Lex (07:32):
I really didn’t know where this was going. I was really afraid that you were taking us somewhere I did not want to follow.
Jordan (07:40):
I’m gonna put a handful, I’m gonna put a handful of weed in my mouth and eat it. That’s how you get high, right?.
Lex (07:45):
I was honestly, honestly- and I think partially ‘cause your hands are in your lap right now and you made, like, a scooping motion towards your crotch. I definitely had a moment of, like, is Jordan literally about to say, on our podcast, I’m going to shove a handful of granola in my vagina, like, what is happening? So, my brain went there.
Jordan (08:04):
Maybe if I do that, do you think Goop would sponsor this podcast? [Laughter]
Lex (08:14):
Oh gosh. That was- that one got me. That caught me off guard.
Jordan:
I mean, if anyone was gonna- yeah, Gwyneth I got a pitch for you- Vajola.
Lex:
We also- what, Vajola?
Jordan:
Granola for your vagina.
Lex:
Oh, I hate you. Oh, I hate that. I was going to say we have lots of, like, leftover wax from other candles, so maybe we can make something happen. Get at me, Gwyneth
Jordan (08:34):
Hit us up, Gwyneth. We’ve got too many ideas for our own good.
Lex (08:39):
Well- and I’m sure, um, anyone who is a fan of Goop or is sort of a more, a devout follower of that lifestyle, you probably won’t like this episode and you probably don’t want to sponsor us, but-
Jordan (08:51):
You’re already miles ahead of us, I’m sure. You’ve already got that. That Vajola in the oven.
Lex (08:56):
Yeah, that’s true. Wait, so is the oven- are you meaning that in, like, the- is it, like, the uterus, like, you know, people are like, got a baby in the oven, or a bun in the oven and it’s like a baby in a uterus. Like, is it the granola is in the uterus oven or is it in an actual oven or, no, I guess it has two layers to- two hoops to jump through, two different types of ovens.
Jordan (09:15):
It was a play on words there. It’s both.
Lex (09:16):
Yeah, I think it’s super extra way funnier though. If I dissect it in great detail.
Jordan:
Yeah?
Lex:
Yeah. I think that that’s [inaudible]
Jordan (09:24):
Do you have a feeling on which oven we’re referring to here?
Lex (09:28):
Oh, I think it’d be like a double, a double layer onion, an onion.
Jordan (09:34):
Double layered onion? Hello. Don’t put that in your oven.
Lex (09:36):
A double layered oven, similar to cow’s stomachs.
Jordan (09:40):
Oh, see, I was imagining [inaudible]
Lex (09:42):
Like, different oven processes. ‘Cause, like, when you, like, bake the granola to, like, make the granola.
Jordan (09:50):
I do want to, I do want to put a disclaimer here. First of all, don’t try this at home, please, God I am begging you. Second of all, if you do bake granola in a home oven to put in your personal oven, let it cool first. I need you to let it cool first. It can’t go straight from one to the other. I just, I just want to make sure we have that on record. Anyways, continue.
Lex (10:13):
Okay, yeah. I mean like we’re not medical professionals, we’re not psychiatrists, we’re not therapists. We’re not, like, legally licensed to do anything except be idiots.
Jordan (10:21):
And drive a car. We both have driver’s licenses.
Lex (10:29):
Yeah, but, like, you know what I mean, uhh. We aren’t professionals at, like, anything at all. So, we’re really just here to commentate and also make fun of people sometimes. Unfortunately. Sorry.
Jordan (10:35):
Most the time it’s us, ourselves, though. So, I think it balances out.
Lex (10:38):
Yeah. But then sometimes people suggest things that we should try to fix, quote, unquote, our brains and um, uh, well, okay. So, there’s a lot, a lot of different things that I’ve been told, I guess. So, let’s just get right into it, right?
Jordan (10:52):
Yeah. Let’s dive right in.
Lex (10:55):
Yeah, so, we have talked about different types of treatments that people- or remedies, I should say- that people will suggest. A lot of them come down to just, like, doing different things, which is, you know, executive dysfunction. It’s not a thing, it’s fine. Like drink more water, take supplements for your brain that- not that- you shouldn’t do that. I don’t know. Talk to your doctor. But I’m kind of starting out at the, the chill end of things. Of, like, drink more water, exercise. Do, you know, some mindfulness sort of calming exercises and try meditation if you want. You know, like, sort of-
Jordan:
Generally, vaguely good for, kind of, everyone.
Lex:
Yeah. Like, again, like you said, vaguely, generally, like, we’re speaking in very wide terms here. Take that with a grain of salt, but yeah. So, like, you have things that I would say are the quote unquote, like, harmless end of the spectrum versus- was it tarantula piss or something?
Jordan:
Something like that.
Lex:
Like, there are some, some Rancho gross stuff in there.
Jordan (11:54):
Tarentula hispania, which was- I can’t remember if it was piss or poison. Oh yeah. No. ‘Cause it was, it was tarantula poison and chlamydia piss?
Lex (12:05):
Yeah. Like, some sort of sex disease piss. Yeah. Like, you know, taking stuff like that to give to your child who has ADHD. Or electroshock therapy, which in some instances has shown some helpfulness, but most of the time it’s not administered correctly or you know, people- yeah. But I think the, the most harmful option out of that is more so what you were told not to do. So, I know medication is not for everyone. I know medication doesn’t necessarily work great for everybody, but it works for a lot of people and stimulants in particular work for a good chunk of people who have ADHD. And one of the big things, uh, in the, sort of, holistic movement in medicine is to discourage people from taking stimulants and generally prescribed medications.
Jordan (12:58):
Do they have specific reasons why?
Lex (13:01):
It’s quote unquote, like, unnatural, it’s not organic. It’s not, you know, all sorts of words, that’s factually untrue, but because it’s been touched by scientists somewhere in a lab and put into a capsule it’s witchcraft of some kind that will, like, kill you on sight.
Jordan (13:18):
As opposed to the totally organic, non GMO, free range, chlamydia piss.
Lex (13:25):
Yeah. And I know that this is a spectrum, right? Like, not everyone- I recognize, and I think you also recognize, like, there are things that are, you know, generally helpful and yeah. Yes. You should probably drink more water.
Jordan (13:37):
Yeah. There’s a time and a place for essential oils, but they’re often not a substitute for-
Lex (13:44):
Prescription meds.
Jordan (13:47):
And medical intervention from people with doctorates. Yeah.
Lex (13:50):
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I, I know that there are people who have doctorates in, like, holistic medicine.
Jordan:
Really?
Lex:
Yeah. Like, medically licensed doctors I think is kind of the thing there.
Jordan (14:02):
Doctors, therapists, psychiatrists, that whole suite of individuals.
Lex (14:07):
Yeah. People who had to go to, like, quote unquote med school, the things that they do sometimes get lumped into the sort of group of, like, well, it’s all bad because it’s all unnatural. And if it’s anything that comes from a doctor and it’s not natural and it’s not something that I can get from, like, my chiropractor, then it must be bad for you. And it must be bad in general and it must be bad morally. And I know not everyone makes those assumptions and leaps. I know a lot of people who are more on the holistic end of things who are still sort of open to traditional medicine and I’d say, like, I too, you know, if it’s not clear, I am biased towards the traditional medicine in terms of, like, what I think works best for me. And what I think has helped people generally more. I, I do want to be clear of, like, I do have a clear bias against holistic medicine. Like, this is just straight up- Goop. This is not your episode. I’m so sorry. I mean, I’m not sorry, but, like-
Jordan (15:01):
Yeah. Well, and there’s, I think, like you said before, there’s a spectrum and I take Adderall, I take stimulant medication and it works for me. I also go to an allergy doctor who gives me massages that somehow cure my allergies and it works. Shrug emoji. Yeah. So, there’s a spectrum. I think the thing that we just kind of want to touch on is that quote, unquote traditional medicine is not inherently bad and to take it all with a grain of salt.
Lex (15:33):
Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. And I guess to add onto that, every field is constantly evolving and especially a sort of field of study surrounding neurodivergence because, like, a lot, a lot of us, a lot of us out here are not neurotypical, my friends. I guess we’ve kind of laid out the general gist of it, but I’m really what I’m really itching to get into though, honestly, is sort of what your personal experience, Jordan- as Jordan- has been with either what you’ve experimented with, uh, in terms of holistic medicine or if people have told you to do or not to do things, I’m curious to hear your sort of experience with that.
Jordan (16:12):
Yeah. I mean, I feel a little bit lucky in that I had literally zero exposure to ADHD until I was diagnosed at the ripe old age of 24. So, I didn’t have a whole lot of people really chiming in and I’ve been able to be an adult and choose my own adventure. And you know, I have heard the things like don’t eat red food coloring and these essential oils will cure you. And some things like that, but I feel lucky that I’ve had this perspective of, like, all of those things are a part of the tool arsenal to deal with ADHD. And some of them are effective tools and some of them aren’t. So, like I’ve heard that there are some diet things that are helpful. I have taken it as an excuse to eat fish and that’s enough benefit for me that I’m gonna keep doing it. ‘Cause I do like fish. But for me, I mean, like, I know that I needed prescription medication to get myself to a place where I could even try any of these things. Like, I don’t think exercising is bad advice. I don’t think changing your diet is necessarily bad advice. Like I said, I think there’s a time and a place for essential oils, but if I am just sitting on the couch and I am so overwhelmed by executive dysfunction that I can’t move, I can’t exercise. I can’t-
Lex;
You can’t do yoga.
Jordan:
I can’t do yoga. I’m not going to fillet myself a fish. Like, I know that I needed that for my baseline and keeping diet in mind and keeping active along with a bunch of other really tangible things that may or may not be holistic, but are alternatives to medicine, like building routine and understanding how I fidget and what kind of stimulation makes my brain work the best. Those are all kind of secondary tools that I can use, I guess. Does that make sense?
Lex (18:07):
Absolutely. That was a very, very serious answer and very, very informative, thank you. Thank you so much.
Jordan (18:13):
You’re so welcome.
Lex:
I feel a little silly now.
Jordan:
No, no. What has your experience been?
Lex (18:19):
Well, I sort of made a list earlier today of different things that I’ve been told to do to fix either my depression, anxiety or my ADHD. Um, and we talked about this a little bit before, but my depression and anxiety I think are pretty clearly linked to my ADHD. So, we’re just going to kind of blanket sort of the quote, unquote list of things that people have suggested to fix me. Quote, unquote. Quote, unquote. Um, let’s see. Uh, I’ve been told to try drinking coffee, cut out coffee. I’ve been told to try cigarettes. Um, ‘cause they’re a stimulant.
Jordan:
Um, yeah. It’s like you’re frustrated. Cut it off.
Lex:
Yeah, no, there’s some interesting- yeah. I will not make a judgment as to whether these are good or bad.
Jordan:
I will.
Lex:
Yeah, that’s fine. You can do that, but I’m just, like, if this is anything that y’all do out there, do you.
Jordan:
You do you, keep ‘em coming.
Lex:
Yeah. Try cigarettes. Um, to drink at least 72 ounces of water a day, which I’m five foot five, that’s a lot of water to put in my body. I’m not that large of a person.
Jordan (19:25):
You pretty much just have to, like, I think dog sprinkler all day [inaudible] with a hose
Lex (19:32):
And then, like, just pissing out the other end the whole time, just like an endless cycle. I’ve been told that I need to try yoga, Pilates. That I should really get into running. I’ve been told to try eating more iron food. ‘Cause maybe I’m iron deficient. I’ve been given so many different types of supplements. Uh, I’ve been given Kratom, Kratom- Kra, Kra- I dunno. I always say Kratom.
Jordan:
How did that go?
Lex:
Um, we’ll get to that. We’ll get to that. Yeah. I mean, a few of these I have tried. Um, and then, uh, the, the big thing that I always hear is about, like, well, if you were just eating, you know, gluten free, dairy free and following, you know, a strict paleo diet or, you know, maybe if you tried intermittent fasting. Have you heard about intermittent fasting? I feel like that can, like, supposedly that can really help with brain fog. And I think maybe you’re just experiencing some brain fog. These are things that people have suggested to me, real people. I personally have struggled on and off with disordered eating patterns since I was, like, 17 or 18. So, there’s a lot of that advice that is directly related to how I look and how my body is functioning and what I can and can’t do physically, whether it’s diet or exercise. So, I know that I also sort of have a biased gut reaction against the sort of holistic medicine trend because so much of it comes from people in my life and times in my life where, uh, my, my weight and my appearance and my inability to do certain things sort of drove my worth. Right. So, I have a very, very, negative reaction when people suggest things to me from that sort of end of the spectrum. So, I do want to sort of, like, explain why I’m so hostile towards holistic medicine.
Jordan (21:21):
That’s fair. I think, you know, if intermittent fasting works for you, that’s fine. But if you suggest intermittent fasting or any kind of fasting or dieting to someone with an eating disorder, you’re a bad person.
Lex (21:32):
Well, to be fair, not everyone knows, right? You don’t put those things, like, you don’t know. You don’t know if someone has an eating disorder or not. So, like, maybe just don’t- maybe just don’t tell people what to do and how to do it. And I realize we’re just telling you how to do and how not to do, like, talking to other people. But I feel like that’s, you can’t tolerate intolerance, you know? Like, you have to be intolerant of intolerance, sort of that’s a, that’s a wild connection there, but it’s sort of that same idea of, like, telling y’all to be chill, stop telling people what to eat and how to eat and what they should be doing for their bodies. You don’t know them and you don’t know their bodies.
Jordan (22:05):
Yeah. This is a sidebar. But on the flip side of talking to people about their weight and ADHD, like, the number of times people went like, oh, did you lose weight? And I have to be like, yep, because I’m on amphetamines. It’s weird.
Lex (22:19):
Yeah. Don’t comment on people’s appearances. Like, if I have a booger in my nose or a fuzzy on my shirt, like, if it’s something that can be solved within, like, five seconds, then tell me.
Jordan (22:27):
Yeah. Or if, like, you know, somebody has been trying to lose weight and they want to hear that. That’s a different thing,
Lex (22:35):
Yeah, but unsolicited is- just stop. Just stop that.
Jordan:
Like, thanks, it’s the meth. What do you-
Lex:
Yeah. It’s Dr. Meth. It’s the doctor version of the meths.
Jordan (22:43):
Dr. Meth. It’s like Dr. Pepper.
Lex (22:46):
Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. And I will say, like, I’ve tried a lot of those things on that list because a lot of the time when I heard things like that, I really internalized that. So, I know that I personally have tried a lot of those types of things.
Jordan:
Did they work?
Lex:
That’s the thing is, like, I don’t think so. In terms of, like, how you would think they would work right.
Jordan (23:06):
Well, we are still- we are still here. You do still have ADHD. So.
Lex (23:09):
Yeah. No. I mean, well, it’s not something to cure. It’s just my brain. This is how it is, good or bad. It’s my brain. And I can love it for the things it does well, and I can be angry with it for the things that it doesn’t do well. But the, the other, the main thing that I’ve tried, that I have a very clear memory of how it went. Uh, when I tried Kratom- it’s a stimulant sort of plant that is, like, crushed up into powder and you can either drink it or just can, like, like I did, take it in capsules and it’s quote, unquote like a natural stimulant. Sometimes people call it the holistic Adderall. So, I did try Kratom in grad school. And I will say it was doing a lot of help for me, like, focus wise. But I also was feeling like it definitely spurred me on towards, like, the manic sort of end of the spectrum. I remember I went for a run after, like, I woke up, took some Kratom and, like, my antidepressants as well, and then, like, ate a light breakfast, went for a run. And, like, I remember being on that run and feeling like I was like, I have never been this good at running. I feel like I’m [bleep] flying. This is awesome. Wow. Like, I’m really just, I’m running, I’m just running. And I just, like, went for a really, like, a good run and I felt great. And then I got back to my house and I walk into the dining room and then I immediately, like, my legs started shaking and they just sort of gave out and I just vomited. So, um, I haven’t tried Kratom since then. Um, I would say it’s probably something that you will have to decide for yourself if you want to do that. I’ve also tried, like, different types of, like, holistic diet pills. And I’ve tried doing the whole drinking just a shit ton of water. And after three days, I was like, I cannot do anything else because I’m literally just going to pee all the time. To my whole day [inaudible]. Yeah. No, like, my whole day was just, like, pissing. Like, that’s not quite true, but, like, I really- it was a noticeable, like, oh my God, I have to go to the bathroom so much more. This is so not sustainable. So, I stopped trying to drink 72 ounces of water a day after, like, three days in. So, I think part of it- right. I never gave any of those things, like, a whole hearted, like, here I go, I’m jumping in with all feet. All feet. Yeah, sure. I mean, all two feet.
Jordan (25:30):
I’m just going to say-
Lex (25:48):
Who’s to say where the other feet are. But the Kratom one. It, honestly, it was pretty funny. I was like, I started laughing, like, after I came up for air, I was like laughing a little bit. ‘Cause I was like, this is so stupid. I’m so stupid. Why did I take a stimulant with, like, a banana and some almond butter and then go for a run and run for way longer and way more than I had leading up to that and then go home. Like, like, there’s like, I understand I’m not super intelligent sometimes. So, like, I get it. Don’t at me. It’s fine. I know. I know. But like, I don’t know. I have tried some of that stuff and sometimes it helps sometimes it doesn’t, again, the stuff that helps us is sort of the general, like, hey, this is suggested for most people, like, go for a walk, drink water, you know, like, things that are generally good for most people. Those, those have been helpful. But, like, the really specific things, like, hey, maybe try Kratom. Decidedly not a great idea for me, personally.
Jordan:
That’ll be, that’ll be a Patreon perk, is us doing Kratom.
Lex:
Oh my gosh. Yeah, no. Oh, and the other thing too, is that people have told me that I should either smoke more weed or completely stop smoking weed, ever at all. It just kind of depends on who’s giving me unsolicited advice that day.
Jordan (26:54):
So, it sounds like there’s a lot of conflicting advice.
Lex (26:58):
Yeah. And I wouldn’t say all of those are necessarily holistic medicine. I should be fair there. Yeah. But, like, I just made a list of things that people have told me to do to try and quote, unquote cure myself.
Jordan (27:07):
Yeah. I mean, have any of those things worked for you or turned into something that’s helped? Long-term obviously, as I think we’ve hopefully made very clear, nothing is going to cure an ADHD brain. That’s not how that works, but has anything helped? Long-term?
Lex (27:26):
No. I mean, like maybe, I don’t know. I’m sitting here, like, thinking about it and, like, I think it’s also hard to sort of, like, looking at myself now because this whole year has just been so different. Like this, this whole past, like, year plus has been so different for all of us. And so I feel like I’m not even the same, not that I’m not the same person, but I don’t do the same things. And so, like, it’s hard for me to think back on, like, physically what I did and, like, what- you know what I mean? And also, like, I don’t remember what I did, like, three days ago. So, like-
Jordan:
Yeah. That’s fair.
Lex:
‘Cause, like, now I’m like, well, I go to work and when I’m at work, I try to do some working out there in my office and then I come home and sometimes we’ll do a podcast thing. Sometimes I’ll play D and D, sometimes I’ll play video games. And then I repeat.
Jordan (28:11):
Yeah. I mean, we are both very, I suppose, young in our ADHD journeys, as it were.
Lex:
Oh yeah. That’s also fair.
Jordan:
Is there anything that you want to try?
Lex (28:22):
Maybe this is a hot take? I would love to try, like, psychedelics and stuff like that. Um, but I think that a lot of people, like, there’s a Venn diagram overlap between holistic medicine and people who are nuts about holistic medicine versus people who, like, love psychedelics. There is an overlap there. Not completely though, but, like, since there is an overlap, I’m going to include that and say I would, I would give that a go. I think it’s really interesting. And I think that a lot of the science involved in psychedelics and what people have been able to study at this point- it’s very intriguing and not in a cure your brain way, but in a, like, helps to, if not rewire, like, loosen the wires.
Jordan (28:57):
Yeah. There’s evidence that it changes the way that the pathways in your brain are working.
Lex (29:02):
Yeah. So, I would be interested in trying that, but yeah. What about you? Oh, also sensory deprivation tanks. I would love to go get my self in one of those. I don’t know if that’s a thing people have suggested for ADHD specifically. Sometimes people who are into holistic medicine are really into, like, sensory deprivation tanks and stuff like that. I would love that. I would love to give that a go.
Jordan:
I would hate that. I would hate every second of that.
Lex:
I would love to just completely dissociate into like a molecule to be, be tight.
Jordan:
I don’t think I would come back from that.
Lex:
It’d be so tight. This is probably also a good indicator that you shouldn’t try the psychedelics. And I should, probably.
Jordan (29:35):
Yeah. I mean, I am very open to seeing what research comes out of that. I think that that’s an awesome option. It seems like it’s been really helpful for people. So, I’m not judging psychedelics at all,
Lex:
No, it’s just not for you.
Jordan:
But I would also- every time I think about doing psychedelics, I think about this story that I read online when I was in like middle school, on one of those weird self publish fiction, online story websites about this drug called Rodepade, where, like, people went to Rodepade parties and there’s this card game or something that you played. And one person won the card game every night and it was this, like, big deal. And they got to take Rodepade and it was supposed to be, like, the best high of your life. And you felt like you were exploding into the soul of the universe or whatever. And then your brain melted out of your ears and you died.
Lex:
Oh.
Jordan:
Yeah. And I know that that’s not what would happen, but I, I think that it would metaphorically melt my brain and I’d probably look at a piece of honeycomb or something and have a panic attack. ‘Cause there were too many holes.
Lex:
Yeah. Okay, cool.
Jordan:
So, you do that. And I will eat more fish.
Lex:
Tight.
Jordan:
Tight. Do we a have dopamine trampoline this week? Or was yours, was yours psychedelics again?
Lex (30:49):
Yeah, I do have a dopamine trampoline this week. Should I, should I jump on up there and you want to hop on after me?
Jordan:
Yeah, hop on over.
Lex:
Sick. It’s very short and sweet and to the point, but um, my dopamine trampoline I want to talk about this week has been family dinners. We do family dinner in our apartment now. Not always, but, like, when we’re able to, we’ve been taking turns making dinners that have lots of leftovers. So, we have, like, food for, like, a good chunk of the week. And that’s been helping both of us make sure that we eat in the first place. And then also make sure that we’re eating food that we made. And for me, like, eating out less and for Jordan remembering to eat and, like, you know, but also just, like, to have some intentional roommate BFF time. So, that’s mine. It’s family dinner. Oh, and my favorite family dinner thus far was, um, and I know that I’m probably supposed to say it’s something you made, but it was when I, when I had a taco night.
Jordan (31:38):
I think that’s probably also my favorite family dinner. I was just thinking the other day, like, oh, we should do that again.
Lex (31:42):
Yeah, no taco night is such a good staple, but yeah, so that’s mine.
Jordan (31:46):
That’s a good one. It’s also reminding me that I haven’t eaten dinner yet.
Lex:
Oh no, let’s get [inaudible]
Jordan:
Yeah. I’ll hop on here. So yeah. I’ll, I’ll wrap this one up so that I can go eat the leftover Indian food I have. I’m very excited about it.
Lex (32:02):
Oh, yeah, no. Jordan ordered Indian food and texted me and was like, hey, I’m ordering Indian food for lunch. Do you want anything? And so I had leftovers waiting for me when I got home. Oh, best roommate.
Jordan (32:12):
Thank you.
Lex:
Yeah. Okay. Anyway, sorry. So, we can get you to that.
Jordan:
Yes. Uh, and because I think we’re on the theme, we’ve touched a little bit on diets. You talked about dinner. I’m going to go do that next. My dopamine trampoline is also going to be short and sweet and food-related, this might be good for an ADHD brain. ‘Cause there are some, like, healthy fats in there. It’s got sugar, which is, like, a immediate dopamine hit.
Lex:
It tastes good.
Jordan:
It tastes good. And what tastes good in this case is a Rawlings family specialty snack, which is two slices of Seattle sourdough, sourdough bread. Toasted. One side has- or one slice- they end up together. It’s not like this is a two-faced sandwich. ‘Cause that would be hell. That would defeat the point of a sandwich entirely. Uh, the Earl of Sandwich would probably come back from the dead.
Lex (33:09):
Let’s not invite the, like, sandwich chart discourse in here though, right?
Jordan (33:14):
This is not about sandwich chart. This is about, like, the spirit of the Earl of Sandwich. Who is a person.
Lex (33:21):
Cool. So, but it’s two different slices that come together like a sandwich. I’m assuming.
Jordan (33:25):
Yes. So, you take your slices of bread on one of them- they’re, they’re toasted. Did I say that?
Lex:
Yes.
Jordan:
Okay. They’re toasted. And on one of them you put crunchy peanut butter. Don’t at me if you don’t like crunchy peanut butter. Don’t want to hear it. This is how we do it.
Lex (33:39):
Well, and if you don’t like peanut butter at all, you can hang out with me and you think I’m weird for not liking peanut butter. Congrats. There’s more for you. Get over it.
Jordan (33:48):
If you don’t like peanut butter, you can hang out on the other side of the sandwich, which has Nutella. And you sandwich them together with the Nutella and the peanut butter facing. I want to make that really clear. I it’s, I don’t, it’s just, it’s really good. It’s got a, like, sweet, salty, crunchy, sour from the sourdough. It is very important that you do it on sourdough. And it’s just-
Lex:
That’s what makes it a Rawlings family specialty and not just a sandwich.
Jordan:
Yes.
Lex:
This is, like, it’s specific.
Jordan:
Yes. Yes.
Lex (34:17):
And also, the entire Rawlings family can cook, really good. So, if they say that it’s something, that’s a Rawlings family specialty, you shut up and you eat it and you enjoy it because it’s going to be good. Unless, you know, you don’t like peanut butter, in which case, you know.
Jordan (34:29):
Yeah. You don’t have, you don’t have to eat it, but more for us, I guess, is the moral of the story. But yeah, I don’t know. That’s like a snack that my parents came up with and then like started making us and it’s not a brand of sourdough that I can get out here so I can kind of make myself one, but it’s, like, not ever quite the same as, like, when I go home and my parents make one for me.
Lex:
Yeah, no it’s about the family bonding.
Jordan:
It is. And that’s what I got today.
Lex (34:56):
Nice. Well thank you. I, I feel weird. Right? Cause it’s like, we used to have really, really long episodes. And now this is our second episode where we’re actually, like, forcing ourselves to try and make shorter episodes because, uh, it’s easier on us for editing and probably easier on our audience for, like, paying attention. So, like, it feels a little goofy to be like, all right, well that’s the end? And it’s like, oh, we only have, like, 45 minutes of audio recorded? Huh. Interesting. Because normally we would get near, like, two hours. Uh, so on one hand I’m like, hey, nice. We managed to, like, do this pretty, pretty quickly. But on the other hand, I’m like, this feels weird. Why are we ending so soon? But we are ending. So, thank you so much.
Jordan (35:38):
Yeah. We do got to do the outro first. We still got a little bit farther to go.
Lex (35:42):
Well, no, I know, but, like, I’m just letting everyone know that we are, we are, we are done now. We are moving on to the outro section. If you would turn to page 300 and [bleep] that, and-
Jordan (35:55):
This has been Or, Learn Parkour from Wholehearted Production Company.
Lex (35:58):
It sure has. And you can find Or, Learn Parkour on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, you know, any place that you can get podcasts pretty much.
Jordan (36:07):
Special thanks to Krizia Perito for our cover art design. You can find her at Petalhop.. That’s P-E-T-A-L-H-O-P on Instagram and Twitter and Etsy.
Lex (36:18):
Thank you to Tom Rosenthal for our theme song. There is a Dark Place off the album Keep a Private Room Behind the Shop.
Jordan (36:25):
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Lex (36:37):
Or just, you know, the worst website that’s ever come to fruition. That’s also the correct name.
Jordan (36:44):
You know it’s not the worst website that’s ever come to fruition. Our website. Yeah, that is, wearewpc.com.
Lex (36:50):
Yeah. Go check it out. Jordan did some overhauling and there’s some cool stuff up there. So, go to our website, do it, do it.
Jordan:
Do it, give in to peer pressure.
Lex:
Yes. Uh, and you can find a link to that. You don’t even need to, like, work hard because you can find a link to that same website and our social media and Tom Rosenthal’s music and Krizia Perito’s pages all in our episode description.
Jordan (37:12):
Heck yeah. If you enjoy this podcast and want to hear more subscribe to this feed or follow it or whatever the button on your pod catcher of choice is. Click it so you can hear more of us.
Lex (37:25):
Yeah. And if you really, really want to go the extra mile and be super supportive, you know, you could tell a friend, tell a family member, tell an acquaintance, maybe just yell it at a stranger on the street to listen to Or, Learn Parkour, and you know, point them our direction. Let’s get some friends, let’s get some more friends in this park. We’re family. Oh. And also if you, if you feel so led, we do have a ko-fi. You can find a link to that on our website, on Twitter and on Instagram.
Jordan (37:52):
This is true. The one other thing that is worth mentioning that you can do that costs you $0 is leave us a review if you are so inclined.
Lex (38:01):
A nice review though. Please. If you want to leave a bad review, I get it. But please don’t.
Jordan:
Like, you can, but I will cry.
Lex:
Yeah, you can. But, like, at what cost.
Jordan (38:10):
This is actually a great month to leave a great review. If you do it on Podchaser this month, they are donating 25 cents per review left on their website to Meals on Wheels through the end of the month. They will donate another 25 cents if/when we respond to your review. So, you can make our day and do some good for some people through the end of this month. It’s an all around kick-ass deal.
Lex (38:36):
Yeah. And that’s April, 2021. So, if you’re listening to this after April, 2021, bumskie.
Jordan:
Well, like, you can still leave us a review and donate to Meals on Wheels. You just kind of have to do both of those things yourself.
Lex:
Yeah. Thanks for pointing that out. I personally don’t really have any outro, funny, goofy stuff for you this week.
Jordan:
Oh, but we got to have an outro question.
Lex:
I know. I was trying to think of one and then I sort of just, uh. Oh yeah, and one more quick thing before we, uh, take off here is, uh, again, just, you know, want to say, we love you all. We appreciate y’all and for all the goofs, like, we are very thankful to, you know, be putting out this audio into the world. So, thank you for supporting us and listening and you know. Yeah. We, we love y’all. And now I’m, I’m going to stop being a huge nerd. And um, yeah.
Jordan:
I don’t have an outro question, but I do have an outro ADH dad joke.
Lex:
Uh-oh!
Jordan:
You ready for this?
Lex:
Uh-oh!
Jordan:
I think my microscope has ADHD.
Lex:
Why do you think your microscope has ADHD, Jordan?
Jordan:
It refuses to focus.
Lex (39:46):
Pull your finger out of your ass.
Jordan:
I’m Jordan.
Lex:
I’m Lex.
Jordan:
This has been Or, Learn Parkour. See you in two weeks.
Lex (40:26):
Groovy, baby. Okay, cool. Cool. [Inaudible