OLP 031: We Are Equally Broked audio
[Intro audio: “There is a Dark Place,” by Tom Rosenthal]
Jordan (00:00:28):
Hi, I’m Jordan
Sylvie:
And I’m Sylvie.
Jordan:
And this is Or, Learn Parkour.
Sylvie:
It’s a podcast about ADHD, done by two people who have ADHD.
Jordan:
We sure do. After all this time.
Sylvie:
Yeah. Wild. This is, what, episode 31?
Jordan:
Holy Moses.
Sylvie:
Yeah. So that’s weird. Being perceived for 30 episodes and some change. We got some bonus episodes in there. That’s something.
Jordan:
Thanks for listening. Whether this is your first time listening to the show or you for some reason have been keeping up on our episodes. We’re happy you’re here.
Sylvie:
Yeah, we are. We are happy you’re here. Bewildered and confused, but happy. So, thanks. Normally we kind of goof a little bit at the beginning.
Jordan:
Should we just jump right into it?
Sylvie:
Let’s do something completely not ADHD and just fucking do it.
Jordan:
Just get straight to the point.
Sylvie (01:21):
Yeah, let’s just do it. So, this week since- okay, so here’s the thing. It may be the very end of January by the time this drops, but you know what’s coming up, Valentine’s day.
Jordan:
Valentine’s day.
Sylvie:
Yeah. Valentine’s day. And you know, I understand that people may have some mixed feelings about it as a holiday, but in this house, it is a fan favorite.
Jordan:
This is true. We do like to decorate. Valentine’s day decor is just really cute.
Sylvie:
I love pink. I love red. I love purple. I love hearts.
Jordan:
I love hearts.
Sylvie:
I really love hearts. We both just really love hearts. I think that’s the biggest part of it.
Jordan:
It really is. We both love hearts. And I will say I do have mixed feelings about Valentine’s day sometimes, but regardless of any of that, it is the best dessert holiday, hands down.
Sylvie (02:11):
Yeah, I think that’s fair. Everyone is pulling out all the stops to get their sweeties sweetened further.
Jordan:
That’s a great tagline. Let’s work with that.
Sylvie:
Sure. Said no candy company ever. Whoo. Yeah. It’s Valentine’s day time and you know, we like hearts. We like the holiday. We are not immune to celebrating Galentines.
Jordan:
Oh, Galentines, Palentines.
Sylvie:
I think that’s it.
Jordan:
That is it. I was trying to think if there were any other good ones.
Sylvie:
I don’t know, Calentine’s. It’s when you do your calendars for the year together, because you were too seasonally depressed in January to work on your 2022 calendar.
Jordan:
Okay, but me and who though? Me and who though?
Sylvie:
It doesn’t have to be a couple-y thing. Doesn’t have to be a polycule thing.
Jordan:
No, it doesn’t, that’s true.
Sylvie:
It can just be you in your calendar. So, anyways, it is the season of love. We are not gonna do anything even remotely in the spirit of that. ‘Cause we are actually just gonna talk about what we love about having ADHD. ‘Cause we’re not always super positive, you know, with good reason, having ADHD. It’s a disability, it’s pretty severe for both of us. And it can cause a lot of pain and frustration and just not feeling great about ourselves, sort of, feelings. Right? And I don’t think we’re alone in that. And I know that a lot of people tune in to kind of be like, oh yeah, look, these people who have ADHD, but are adults and are doing it anyways and you know, going for it. I know that’s relatable. So I feel like it’s important for us to talk about some of the good stuff sometimes and what better time than to take the romance holiday and make it more about self love.
Jordan:
Love that. For both of us.
Sylvie:
Yeah, same. So that’s what we’re talking about. We’re gonna tell you, audience, what we love about having ADHD.
Jordan:
Yeah. I know that sometimes people can sort of have that ‘oh, ADHD is a superpower’ mentality. And to be clear, that’s not what we’re doing here. If you feel like ADHD is your superpower. That’s awesome. If you hate having ADHD, I’m not gonna say that’s awesome, but it’s valid. You’re allowed to feel that way.
Sylvie:
You’re allowed to feel literally however the fuck you want about your own head and what goes on inside it, that’s what I’ll say. So, if you think that ADHD is your superpower, radical, love that for you. If you don’t, radical, love that for you. That said, let’s just fucking do it.
Jordan:
Let’s just fucking do it.
Sylvie:
Let’s just fucking do it. Tell me what you love about having ADHD.
Jordan:
Okay. I will do that.
Sylvie:
Yeah. ‘Cause we’re just doing it.
Jordan:
We’re just doing it. So, when I looked this up, ‘cause I did Google it, a lot of the things that people said were like, I love having a lot of energy and I love being really passionate. And I kind of relate to those things, but some things that I didn’t see on a lot of lists were-
Sylvie:
Well, so here’s the thing: you have inattentive ADHD.
Jordan:
I do, yes.
Sylvie:
And I think that’s probably worth noting, is that you have inattentive ADHD and I have combined type ADHD. So the things that we love about our ADHD are gonna probably be different ‘cause we experience ADHD differently.
Jordan (05:41):
That is true. That is a good point.
Sylvie:
It makes total sense that you wouldn’t necessarily vibe with ‘I have tons of energy’ and ‘I’m able to use that sort of passion’ or whatever the fuck. Not that you’re not passionate obviously, but you know what I mean?
Jordan:
Yeah. Definitely a different experience there. That’s a great point. I do have inattentive ADHD. And honestly I think that’s one of the things that I love, is my imagination. I have gotten in trouble for it before, many a time, of not paying attention or daydreaming or just going completely off topic. I mean, I’ve heard it explained, if some neurotypical people might think A, then B, then C. An ADHD brain might think A, then C, then square, then horse triangle, then 87, 65, cherry pie, then Z. And sometimes that can be difficult, but I do love that it makes me think of things that other people wouldn’t necessarily think of. I mean, I’m a creative person. That’s what I went to school for. I’m a writer, I’m a theater maker. And I don’t know if I’d be able to come up with the things that I’ve done, if it weren’t for the way that my brain works.
Sylvie:
Cool. That it?
Jordan:
No.
Sylvie:
Okay, you’re looking at me like you’re expecting, I’m like, good.
Jordan:
No, I did not. I didn’t know if you had anything to say, I wasn’t just gonna bear along.
Sylvie:
Well, here’s the thing. You say things sometimes that are very, very poignant and heartfelt and you’re very well spoken, if I do say so myself, I think that you are. I mean, I’m very biased ‘cause I love you very much. And you’re my roommate and bestie and co-host and co cat parent. But I think you’re very well spoken. And so sometimes you just say things like that and I’m like, yeah. I’m not gonna goof on it. I’m not gonna take this beautiful language that you’ve constructed for everybody and just shit on it. You know what I mean?
Jordan:
I can do that myself when I immediately forget that we’re doing a podcast and start drinking bubble tea in the middle of it. So, sorry about that.
Sylvie:
Honestly, it’s fine. I was just like, oh thirsty. I mean, it is sitting right in front of you. I did put mine on the floor.
Jordan:
I’m gonna do that now.
Sylvie:
Specifically to remove the temptation to do that. To be clear, it wasn’t like, I was like, yeah, I did that because I’m better than Jordan. No, I knew exactly that that would happen to me too. I just thought ahead.
Jordan:
I’m just usually so bad at remembering to stay hydrated and drink my drinks that in any other circumstance that would’ve been a win, but it’s not right now.
Sylvie:
I think we should still count it as a win.
Jordan:
Okay. Thank you.
Sylvie:
Because it’s a podcast and we can edit it out. You know what I mean?
Jordan:
Yeah. That’s fair.
Sylvie:
So, the auditory thing, that’s nothing compared to you being hydrated and healthy. And if any of you in the audience have any shit to say about that, you can talk to me directly, out back behind the Denny’s.
Jordan:
We will be posting Sylvie’s personal cell phone number so all of you can message them directly about this.
Sylvie:
Are we really?
Jordan (08:43):
I’m gonna say no. I’m gonna say that’s probably a bad call.
Sylvie:
Yeah. I was a little scared, but also a little excited. I don’t talk to very many people. So there was sort of that level of like, friends? But then there was the horrifying level of like, no, not on the internet. No, no, no. Not a lot of what my mama taught me is ingrained. But that one sure is.
Jordan:
Yeah. Don’t give strangers on the internet your phone number. Strangers on the internet already know a lot about us ‘cause we do a podcast, so yeah.
Sylvie:
Well, speaking of, we are doing that currently.
Jordan:
Oh yeah, we are.
Sylvie:
So, what’s the second thing on your fucking list?
Jordan:
The second thing on my fucking list. I love- that’s what we’re talking about this week. I love-
Sylvie (09:24):
Lamp. Sorry. I had, I had to, I had to, sorry. Just hit ‘em with the Anchorman jokes when they least expect it in the year of our lord 2022.
Jordan:
Oh my God. My abs hurt so bad. You can’t make me laugh.
Sylvie:
Oh yeah. Jordan went to the gym.
Jordan:
I did. And it was a bad choice. I mean I do love lamp.
Sylvie:
Yeah. Lamps are great.
Jordan:
They are.
Sylvie:
This is the stupidest way that we’ve gotten off track ever. I’m sorry. I said it.
Jordan:
Embarrassing though. I didn’t actually know that that was from Anchorman. I’m just used to people saying I love lamp out of context so I assumed it was a meme?
Sylvie:
No, what? Oh my god.
Jordan:
I’ve never actually seen Anchorman.
Sylvie:
I know that you are on the youngest edge of millennial life, but Jesus.
Jordan:
It’s just ‘cause I don’t watch movies. I don’t have anything against them.
Sylvie:
I’m not saying you do. It’s just wild to me. The amount of cultural touchstones for people our age that you just missed completely. Not to dunk on you on our podcast. Jordan has never seen SpongeBob.
Jordan:
I haven’t never seen SpongeBob. I’ve seen some episodes. And I saw the musical. That’s not a point in my favor.
Sylvie:
I mean, I did hear it was actually pretty good.
Jordan:
No, it ruled, actually. I’m not a musical theater person by and large. It’s not my main theater jive and I don’t have the cultural connection to SpongeBob that many people do.
Sylvie:
I do, in case it wasn’t clear. I watched SpongeBob so much growing up. If you couldn’t tell from, you know, the everything about me.
Jordan (11:04):
Well, someone had to, between the two of us.
Sylvie:
Yeah. I guess that’s true. Someone had to watch Anchorman when they were way too young to be watching Anchorman.
Jordan:
I’ve seen the video that Lizzo did. That was a parody of Anchorman. The jazz flute.
Sylvie:
The yazz flute.
Jordan:
Yazz flute. My apologies. Isn’t Yas a brand of birth control? Is that related?
Sylvie:
No. You know how people sometimes pronounce things differently when it starts with a J. So it’s not jazz it’s Yazz.
Jordan:
I see. Okay.
Sylvie:
It’s Will Ferrell. Why does he do anything the way he does things?
Jordan:
That’s an excellent question.
Sylvie:
You know what I mean? I did grow up on Will Ferrell movies.
Jordan:
I wonder if he has ADHD.
Sylvie:
Honestly, most white dude comedians that are super famous and super funny or famous for being super funny probably do have something going on in their brains.
Jordan:
No, that’s fair. We could get him on the podcast. We could ask him.
Sylvie:
I think I might pee my pants. I’m not saying I’d be super starstruck by Will Ferrell. I’d like to think I’d keep my cool, but what if he’s actually that funny IRL? You know what I mean? ‘Cause then I’m gonna- me, raised on the likes of Seinfeld and listening to Mitch Hedberg on a burned CD in my brother’s car. I mean, y’all know that I’m already kind of a bro above all else. No gender, mostly fraternity, but I am realizing I’m just sort of digging that, just very bro-y comedian energy and I’m just really letting y’all in on where it comes from and I’m not ashamed.
Jordan:
Sylvie lore.
Sylvie (12:38):
I guess. So anyways, what’s the second thing on your list.
Jordan:
Oh yeah. I love all of the people that I’ve gotten to meet and get to know and be encouraged to listen to the stories of, because of ADHD.
Sylvie:
Fuck yeah. It’s empowering. That includes me. That’s fun.
Jordan:
Fuck yeah, it does.
Sylvie:
That’s fun. I love that.
Jordan:
I love you bro.
Sylvie:
Oh, I love you too, bro.
Jordan:
That’s what I love most about ADHD.
Sylvie:
That we both have it.
Jordan:
Yeah. It’s like best friend necklaces, but super hardcore.
Sylvie:
Just so hardcore.
Jordan:
Best friend mental illnesses.
Sylvie:
We should get some matching bestie gear for this. What did we say? We were gonna get bestie somethings, we were talking about.
Jordan:
Get up, go piss necklaces.
Sylvie:
No. Well those are yeah. But the other day outside of podcasting. I remember we were talking about this. We were talking about how we wanted to both get bolo ties. We have to get bestie bolos. That’s so fucking stupid. Don’t worry, everybody, we’re not gonna get bestie bolos. I think it might be culturally appropriative. And if you have to ask, it means it probably is. But at the same time, if it’s not, hey, if it’s not, let us know ‘cause then we can get bestie bolos.
Jordan:
Whether or not I should wear one, I respect them.
Sylvie:
Yeah, I think that’s fair. That’s a fair point, whether or not we can, they’re just really cool. Honestly, they look like the best kind of tie to wear if you have ADHD. That’s like a built-in fidget spinner.
Jordan (14:10):
Yeah. You don’t actually have to tie it.
Sylvie:
Yeah. It can just hang there. It’s like sweatshirt ties, but way less gross.
Jordan:
Like fancy accessory, sweatshirt ties.
Sylvie:
Yeah. If you have insight, let us know. So, anyways, I do maintain the whole, if you have to ask probably not, but better to ask than never know in the first place. We don’t know very many things.
Jordan:
That’s true.
Sylvie:
Generally about the world and life.
Jordan:
Nothing at all.
Sylvie:
That’s not true, but we just are very much only coming from our own specific experiences and we don’t have any expertise. Neurodivergence or bolo ties.
Jordan:
Yeah. That too.
Sylvie:
So, just as a fun little mid episode, caveat, caveat, caveat. Caviar. Ew. Oh my God. I tried caviar for the first time a few months ago with Jordan and some other friends. We went to a tea thing, before the surge started, to clarify, and it was like fancy tea. The tea was awful. It was like clearly the tea itself was an afterthought. They were not really thinking about that. But the food was so fancy.
Jordan:
It was very, very bougie.
Sylvie:
And they had a caviar, egg tartlet thing. And I’ve never tried caviar. I don’t really think there’s ever another point in my life where I would be put in a situation with caviar, so I was like, I have to try it. And it was really gross. I don’t get it. I really don’t get the appeal. But then again, I’m just a small town Midwestern idiot.
Jordan:
That’s okay. I think that it’s definitely an acquired taste. I’m glad that I tried it. I wouldn’t mind it again if someone offered it to me, but I would not go out of my way to eat caviar.
Sylvie (15:49):
Okay. Yeah. Fair. Cool. So, now we’ve got our opinions on caviar and bolo ties covered. Tell me what your second thing is. Oh, wait, your third? You have a third thing?
Jordan:
Sure. I can have a third thing.
Sylvie:
Oh, if you don’t, that’s okay. I can also talk about my stuff.
Jordan:
Why don’t you go ahead and talk about your stuff.
Sylvie:
Oh sure. Okay. So let’s see, like we said earlier, I have ADHD combined type, which means I have hyperactive and inattentive traits. When you think I have both traits, you’re like, oh, maybe a little bit of each. No. If you look at a symptom list for ADHD, I check all the boxes. It’s a lot, I’ll be honest. Life is really hard sometimes, but that’s okay. So, I sent you the list that I have. Oh no. Oh no.
Jordan (16:33):
I can say, I thought of one more thing while you were- So I can say this is a little bit dismal, but I, as we’ve kind of talked about before on this show, have some other comorbid brain situations. And so I have ADHD, inattentive type, also anxiety, you know, as you do.
Sylvie:
Cheers, I’ll drink to that, bro. Yeah, bro.
Jordan:
And depression. I guess I’m just thankful that I have ADHD because I feel like it kind of brings some harmony to those two things. If I didn’t have ADHD, I would still have anxiety and depression, but I feel like ADHD gives me a little bit of edge, you know. I probably won’t get up from my house and go do anything if I just have depression and anxiety, ‘cause either I won’t have the energy to, or I will be too nervous about it. But at least if I have ADHD too, there’s the scant chance that it will pique my interest. And I will be motivated to follow the dopamine.
Sylvie:
Yeah, there is a very special cocktail that only having ADHD, depression, and anxiety can make and sometimes it’s really beautiful.
Jordan:
Yeah. Like one of those swirly mixed drinks that has edible glitter in it. Like Hpnotiq.
Sylvie:
Yeah. Like, maybe a little questionable most of the time.
Jordan:
Oh for sure.
Sylvie:
But sometimes it really hits the spot.
Jordan:
It’s like bougie jungle juice, but yeah.
Sylvie:
Yeah. Love that. Yeah. So let’s see. Similar to what you said for your first one. I really love my imagination and creativity. My brain is never still. Okay, I shouldn’t say that. My brain isn’t never still, it’s just like my brain is two modes, completely just runaway train that is jumping several tracks every minute or nothing. Just bliss and ignorance.
Jordan:
Okay. I can see the benefits to both.
Sylvie:
Yeah. So it is kind of nice to have a brain that either is very high functioning or just off. And those really good days are great for me. But yeah, I mean, I like how many ideas I have and I think similarly, I don’t think I would have the brain capacity to explore those ideas if I didn’t have ADHD. Yeah. Second thing, kind of spinning off of that. I’ve always been a very, very good problem solver. I definitely read some Bill Gates quote, when I was a little kid about, you should always hire the laziest person because they will find the fastest, easiest way to get a job done. And I really took that to heart.
Jordan:
It’s a good strategy.
Sylvie:
Yeah. And I know that we have very complex feelings about the word lazy in the neurodivergent community, and if you have a really big problem with it, okay, I’m saying it anyways, ‘cause I can, it’s about my brain. But I think that when we look at people and say like, oh, they’re lazy, obviously they need to rest. It’s usually the whole thing. But for me genuinely it’s like, my brain is very good at finding the most efficient and quick and easy ways to do things because I would rather be doing nothing. And so I will find the way to get something and not necessarily get it done bad. It doesn’t mean that it’s getting done worse. I used to drive people up a fucking wall in school because I would always be the first one to finish a test. I got solid grades without having to even pay attention in class really because it was just, I find the way to absorb the information quickly, easily, and then I fuck off and just kinda let my brain be chill. So I really like that ability about myself, honestly. I think that some people see that as a detriment in this sort of productivity focused capitalistic society, because it looks like I’m not trying or I’m not working as hard as I should, but I’m still getting the same shit done. I’m just doing it in a way that gives me more time to just vibe.
Jordan:
Just making a show of how hard you’re grinding.
Sylvie:
Hustle culture is gonna be the death of us all, slash it already is. So, yeah. And then lastly, the last thing I have written down is when I’m having a really good day with ADHD and I’m feeling very focused but not hyper focused, right? I’m feeling very into a vibe with a group of people and I’m just turning away, working on stuff. I love the energy that I get then, because I love the sort of, I’m gonna say some things right now and you’re gonna be like, oh my gosh, what are you, a teenager on TikTok? But I really genuinely appreciate the chaos that my brain brings to a group of people because I’ve been told before that I have a very powerful energy, in that I’m able to usually just sort of influence what a group is doing and vibing with and how they’re feeling. I call it my camp counselor trait. It runs in my family. I’m pretty sure we all have ADHD whether or not the rest of my family wants to get diagnosed officially or not. It’s pretty clear. And so I think that that is something that at least I attribute to my ADHD and that, okay, this is gonna sound dark. But basically this is my justification for why this is a part of ADHD because it’s the trauma of never fully fitting in as a child.
Jordan:
You’re not wrong.
Sylvie:
Has really, really shaped me to know exactly how to interact with people in a way that will get them to like me and be on my side and understand how my brain is working. ‘Cause my brain clearly does not work the same as other people’s. And so it’s kind of like a power. I don’t always have the energy to do that and to be around a lot of people, but when I’m having a good day and I’m able to really harness that, I really like those days for me. And for my brain, you know what I mean? So, not to be, basically what I’m saying is the trauma of never quite fitting in well enough growing up kind of just trained me on how to emotionally manipulate a group, in so many words.
Jordan:
I feel like you’re using your power for good.
Sylvie:
Yeah. I guess, emotionally manipulate. I really mean that in the sense of, if there’s an energy and I don’t like it, I will provide a different one for the group.
Jordan:
Emotionally affect and guide.
Sylvie (23:06):
Yeah. Again, the camp counselor trait.
Jordan:
It’s funny, I was literally just thinking about that in the shower yesterday. If I had grown up neurotypical or attractive or wealthy, I would be the most boring person alive right now. I would have no personality and no sense of humor.
Sylvie:
Yeah. That’s a tough one. ‘Cause some people just seem to come by charm and personality, just genetically. There are some people who just seem to be born with that quality But otherwise it does seem to be more of a like, oh, that person is not neurotypical. I think about, this isn’t ADHD related specifically, although a lot of comedians do have ADHD, but you see a lot of famous comedians and historic comedians have been very open about their depression. And I’m just saying the fact that such deeply sad people are so fucking funny all the time, I think that’s very much a correlation sort of thing. I think it makes sense that that would be how ADHD works too. And I’m happy ‘cause you’re very fun to hang out with.
Jordan:
You’re also very fun to hang out with.
Sylvie:
Nice.
Jordan:
That would suck if we didn’t feel that way about each other ‘cause we do share a house.
Sylvie:
We do share a house and we’ve shared a house for years now. That would be wild and a wild plot twist ‘cause we make this podcast together.
Jordan:
Yeah. We’ve come up with a lot of ways to spend time together. And it would be a lot of ways to spend time together if we were people who didn’t enjoy spending time together.
Sylvie (24:38):
Yeah, that would be so much.
Jordan:
What a plot twist.
Sylvie:
What a plot twist. Oh my god. But yeah, no, I don’t know. I like the way my brain makes me different, I think is sort of the boiling down point. And if you relate to the things that we’re saying, awesome. Unless you’re relating to things we’re saying and those aren’t things that you like about yourself in which case, I’m sorry. Can’t relate. But you know, yeah. Obviously this isn’t the most deep, you know, think piece type episode, but our last one was kind of heavy and we try to balance it out a little. So, you know, we just wanted to hit y’all with some, what do we like about having ADHD? Oh, final thing. Well, do you have anything else that you wanna say?
Jordan (25:19):
I mean, I was gonna say that a lot of what I saw when I Googled what’s cool about having ADHD was like, I like being able to focus on things with hyperfocus.
Sylvie:
Yeah. But we talk about those all.
Jordan:
We talk about those and that can be a mixed bag too. But I like the people that I’ve met through going through those phases and I like the way that that has given me an opportunity to be exposed to other people’s stories in a way that I might not, if I could choose what I focused on a little bit more.
Sylvie:
Yeah. That’s fair. I think my last thing to just tie that in is, I really do appreciate the community of people. I think the best thing about having ADHD is when you meet other people who have ADHD or are similarly neurodivergent. Because then there is just sort of that like, oh, we don’t need to explain shit to each other. We can just vibe. Nice.
Jordan:
It’s so good. It’s unparalleled, it’s genuinely unparalleled.
Sylvie:
It’s really, really nice to meet fellow ND folks and just be like, cool, you get it. And also, we’re vibing. Nice. I know I have said vibes a lot. Really just ticking my bro boxes this episode.
Jordan:
It really does come down to vibes though.
Sylvie:
It does. What do we say? Telepaths only, I hate explaining shit, which is not great. ‘Cause this is an audio medium where we talk every other week and do try to explain some things I guess, but anyways. But the community. And specifically y’all. ‘Cause if we didn’t have ADHD, we wouldn’t really have this specific podcast. So, thank you.
Jordan:
We might actually be, god forbid, really learning parkour.
Sylvie:
That would be really cool. I don’t know why you’re saying god. Is that a danger thing? You’re worried about us?
Jordan:
Yes.
Sylvie:
Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. That’s fair. That’s fair. I was like, why are you dunking on parkour? It’s really cool.
Jordan:
It is very cool.
Sylvie:
It’s very, very cool. God. The bro boxes. The bro boxes.
Jordan:
I mean, I can’t judge you. I’m sitting here in my marketing company embroidered quarter zip.
Sylvie:
It is Patagonia, before you ask.
Jordan:
They did get it on sale. That doesn’t help.
Sylvie:
It’s okay. The company that Jordan works for is really cool. And treats Jordan really well and is very, very chill, but they are also a marketing company. So, Jordan does wear this half zip around now.
Jordan:
It’s really cozy. It’s one of the recycled ones.
Sylvie:
It’s okay. You know, sometimes it’s good. It is good. Like you said, speaking of bro boxes, it is good to not be checking them all just on my own.
Jordan:
I’m here to be yoked with you.
Sylvie:
We are equally broked. Equally broked, bro yoked? We are equally broked. You’re the one who started saying it.
Jordan:
Oh, I know. And I’m not saying it’s not my fault. It is. Oh god.
Sylvie:
Yeah. It is your fault.
Jordan:
Equally broked.
Sylvie:
We are, you and I are equally broked. Damn it, that’s good. Shit. Okay. Well, on that note, shall we jump onto our next segment? The Dopamine Trampoline?
Jordan:
Yes. Please. Let us hop, skip and jump on over.
Sylvie:
Ba-boing.
Jordan:
Is that just a thing now?
Sylvie:
I dunno. It might be.
Jordan:
Okay. Yeah. If y’all haven’t listened to our last episode yet that will explain ba-boing, as much as anything gets explained on this podcast.
Sylvie:
Yeah. I mean, hate explaining shit.
Jordan:
Yeah. Do we wanna explain the DT for folks who are tuning in for their first time?
Sylvie:
Sure. Yeah. DT stands for Dopamine Trampoline. It is a place where every other week we come to hop onto the trampoline of dopamine and talk about the things that are giving us dopamine at that time. Or talk about things that gave us dopamine a long time ago. It’s really just generally, sort of, we could talk about a hyperfixation. We could talk about something that’s just making us smile this week. It’s really just whatever the fuck we wanna talk about. So, you know, what’s your DT this week?
Jordan:
So my Dopamine Trampoline this week is a fun combo of former deep cut, childhood love and current revisiting and re-experiencing that joy. My Dopamine Trampoline this week is the internationally beloved Hello Kitty.
Sylvie:
Yeah, I forgot. I forgot. I always forget. You tell me what your DT is gonna be. And then I’m like, nice. And then I just get the anticipation built up all over again when we record. Tell me about the sweet, sweet Hello Kitty.
Jordan:
It’s Hello Kitty. So, for those of you who do not know Hello Kitty, she is a cartoon character from the Sanrio company, which is a Japanese company. She originated in Japan in 1974, if I remember correctly and was introduced to the United States in 1976. I loved Hello Kitty as a kid. A lot of my family is from Alaska so when we would go up and visit, a lot of times we would end up at Anchorage and the Anchorage mall has a Sanrio store. And this was like the highlight of the summer if we went to Alaska, ‘cause I would get to the Sanrio store and pick out a thing, because there was not anything like that in suburban, Southeastern Washington in the early 2000s.
Sylvie:
You don’t say.
Jordan:
There was not even online shopping really at that point. There was, but it was not as accessible as it is now, by any stretch of the imagination.
Sylvie:
You know, like history.
Jordan:
Yeah. You know, like history.
Sylvie:
You know, like culture.
Jordan:
Like the development of the internet.
Sylvie (30:52):
Okay. So, the point though, is that you had to go to the Sanrio mall when you visited your family.
Jordan:
Yes.
Sylvie:
To get the Hello Kitty stuff.
Jordan:
Yes.
Sylvie:
I see. Hot Topic not an allowed store for you then?
Jordan:
I don’t know if I wasn’t allowed or if I just chose to hang a right into the pink bows and cats and Japanese candy situation versus when Hot Topic was actually goth.
Sylvie:
Yeah. No, I mean, and Hello Kitty was at Hot Topic though.
Jordan:
Oh really?
Sylvie:
Yeah. Yes. Hello Kitty has been and probably still is at most Hot Topics. Yes. Same thing with Sailor Moon, Pokemon, Naruto. Why do you think I got Yuri On Ice socks at Hot Topic?
Jordan:
I wasn’t gonna question it.
Sylvie:
Hot Topic has some good shit.
Jordan:
I believe you
Sylvie (31:38):
Haven’t been in a Hot Topic in a while so I guess I shouldn’t say that, but back in the day Hot Topic had some good shit.
Jordan:
I believe it.
Sylvie:
But it doesn’t look like the type of place that would have Hello Kitty merch when you’re looking at it. Especially when you’re just a child. It’s just kind of scary. That’s fair. That’s fair.
Jordan:
Yeah. It’s not like I had a whole lot of other people in my life, scouring the Hot Topic store, doing reconnaissance to report back.
Sylvie:
I’m just thinking of all of our friends that you grew up with in Eastern Washington and how none of you would have the guts or the courage to even go into a Hot Topic until you were teenagers.
Jordan:
I didn’t avoid Hot Topic. I survived Spencer’s Gifts as a child. So, it’s not like I was afraid of Hot Topic. I just was like, and here’s the thing.
Sylvie:
You had a bad experience at Spencer’s Gifts so you were like, better not.
Jordan:
No, no, no. There’s an important piece of information missing here. And that was in the dog days of my youth, those halcyon days, the mall was set up so that there was kind of a main hallway that went into the food court. Hot Topic was if you were walking towards the food court and I believe still is.
Sylvie:
It doesn’t matter.
Jordan:
It doesn’t matter. Was on the right about two stores away from the entry to the food court. Directly across that hall on the other side was a store called Gadgets & Goodies, which was basically an independent sort of [inaudible]
Sylvie:
Okay. So, like a kitchen store?
Jordan:
Yes. Kitchen store, sprinkles, like Williams Sonoma kind of energy.
Sylvie:
I was like, I’ve never heard of this store.
Jordan:
Okay, okay. Good to know. Yeah.
Sylvie:
So I assumed cooking and kitchen by the way you were talking. Jordan was a huge nerd.
Jordan:
Was? That’s generous.
Sylvie:
It’s just fun to dunk on you ‘cause you were so into cooking from such a young age. I benefit directly. I live with this person. I live with a chef. It’s great. But, you know, it’s weird that the second father figure to Jordan was Alton Brown. So, it was right across from Hot Topic.
Jordan:
Yeah. So it wasn’t a matter of avoiding Hot Topic. It was a matter of-
Sylvie:
There’s more important shit to do.
Jordan:
Yes. The siren call of Gadgets & Goodies was just too strong for me to resist. But oh my god, good to know now.
Sylvie:
Yeah. I mean, most places have Hello Kitty stuff now, I feel like, which is nice.
Jordan:
That’s true. Yeah. Yeah.
Sylvie:
She’s pretty widespread.
Jordan:
She is. She’s a pretty iconic character at this point she caught on pretty quickly in the United States. I’ll just give you a quick history. So Hello Kitty was a character designed, like I said, in 1974. She is a character in the shape of a Japanese Bobtail cat. She’s all white. She has a little yellow nose and eyes and whiskers and a red bow on her left ear. Very notably, she doesn’t have a mouth, which is interesting. But apparently the Sanrio company has said, no, that’s on purpose. We wanted you to be able to emote with Hello Kitty and not have her say what she’s feeling with her mouth ‘cause she’s saying what she’s feeling from her heart.
Sylvie (34:50):
Okay. Fuck yeah, Sanrio. Whatever you gotta say to tell people that you know, to get through the fact that maybe the initial design, you just forgot to put a mouth in there. I’m not saying that’s what happened, but I am suspicious.
Jordan:
Artist who designed her first, her name is Yuko Shimizu and she’s still alive and kicking in Tokyo.
Sylvie:
Okay. Well, no disrespect. If you really like Hello Kitty, please don’t at me. I also like Hello Kitty. It’s a goof. It’s a bit for the podcast.
Jordan:
I’m just saying we could ask her.
Sylvie:
It’s true. We could.
Jordan:
And if she just forgot to draw a mouse, she’d fit in really well on this podcast.
Sylvie:
Let’s just get her 50 years later.
Jordan:
I will say, the other interesting thing, and this is all Sanrio, this is not from the designer. You might look at Hello Kitty and be like, your name’s Kitty. You’re cat shaped. This is a cat. But the Sanrio company has specifically said, and this is a quote “Hello Kitty is not a cat. She’s a cartoon character. She is a little girl. She is a friend, but she is not a cat”.
Sylvie:
Okay. Okay.
Jordan:
It’s a little bit haunting.
Sylvie:
Yeah, no, definitely an Eldridge horror. You know what? I take it back. The mouth was kept out on purpose because if she had a mouth, she would just be ripping out incantations.
Jordan:
Just swallow the world whole.
Sylvie:
Yeah. She would be Kirby become death. Destroyer of worlds.
Jordan:
I told you, you can’t make me laugh. It hurts so bad.
Sylvie:
I’m sorry. We’re making a comedy podcast. I’m sorry.
Jordan:
I know this was a bad choice on my part. Apparently she is a perpetual third grader.
Sylvie:
Oh my god, she’s undying.
Jordan:
Yeah. Her real name is Kitty White. And she was born and lives, and perpetually attends third grade, in the suburbs of London. She has a twin sister named Hello Mimmi or Mimi, I’ve seen it spelled both ways, and parents and friends who are other animals. I know this because I have stationary in my house right now with all of them on it. That is from the Anchorage, Alaska Sanrio store. She apparently has a boyfriend in third grade, which is all right, whose name is Dear Daniel. Yeah.
Sylvie:
Interesting.
Jordan:
And she’s just delightful to look at, if you see her.
Sylvie:
She is. Very, very happy looking thing.
Jordan:
Very just, sweet cat, bright colors, good times.
Sylvie:
But she’s not a cat. That’s so unsettling. This DT may have not ruined Hello Kitty, but now I’m questioning, I’m questioning the gospel of Hello Kitty. You know what I mean?
Jordan:
Well, now you can’t say no. You know it’s too late for you now.
Sylvie:
God damn it. You’re right.
Jordan:
I’m so sorry.
Sylvie:
This is the third Eldridge horror I’ve wakened this week. Fuck.
Jordan:
Man. You know, you can get ’em next week, tiger.
Sylvie:
It’s just really busy when you’re a podcaster.
Jordan:
I know. God. When do we rest? When do we sleep? When do the eyes staring at us from the windows close. Never. Anyways, do you wanna hear a list of some of my favorite officially branded Hello Kitty products.
Sylvie:
I really do. I would really like that very much, please.
Jordan:
So the first Hello Kitty product to hit American shelves was a vinyl coin purse that had Hello Kitty on it sitting next to a jug of milk, if I remember correctly. I, myself, love the Hello Kitty stationary. I have a distinct memory of some very cute little Hello Kitty candies. She’s just a charming gal. Her whole thing. Her whole vibe is kind of about friendship. International friendship, communicating with your friends and being open to the world. That’s been kind of a big thing in their branding. She’s in all these countries because she makes friends worldwide and I just think that’s fucking delightful.
Sylvie:
Okay. So she’s not just an Eldridge horror, she’s coming for Pitbull’s throne.‘Cause she’s trying to be, you know-
Jordan:
Miss Worldwide?
Sylvie:
Yeah, Miss Worldwide. I’m so sorry.
Jordan (38:58):
Oh my god. It hurts so much. Oh god.
Sylvie:
Okay. Oh, sweet mercy. Do you have anything else for me?
Jordan:
I was gonna tell you my list of the best all time Hello Kitty products.
Sylvie:
Okay. I thought that’s what was happening.
Jordan:
Oh no, sorry. I got derailed. You know, that’s never happened on this podcast before. My personal favorites, but this is top list. There is right now in the Sanrio store, 24 carat gold Hello Kitty jewelry for thousands of dollars.
Sylvie:
Natch. That makes sense to me, people love this cat, or not cat. People love this third grader who’s shaped like a cat, but is not a cat and doesn’t have a mouth, but people do love her and myself included. She’s real cute. You know, I grew up seeing Hello Kitty stuff and being like, I want that. So I get it. Universal appeal. For sure. Too bad she’s gonna swallow us all whole.
Jordan:
You know, but she made our lives brighter while we were here. That’s what counts. All right. I still have some Hello Kitty postcards in my room right now. I better fire those off while I still can.
Sylvie:
All right. Tell me these products though, for real.
Jordan:
There was between 2005 and 2009, an Airbus plane that flew for Eva Airways in Taiwan. It was the Hello Kitty jet. It was illustrated with Hello Kitty on the outside. And this was a commercial passenger airline that flew for them for four years.
Sylvie:
I actually knew this. I knew about this. ‘Cause I’ve seen pictures of the Hello Kitty plane.
Jordan:
And it’s amazing, right?
Sylvie:
Oh yeah. I would fly on that in a minute.
Jordan (40:33):
Oh yeah. I think they ended up having a couple of them.
Sylvie:
Makes sense that it would be Taiwan.
Jordan:
Yeah. Love that for them. There was also, from an Italian company, Hello Kitty motor oil. Which is perfect for, in my opinion, the best and for me most coveted Hello Kitty product of all, which was a Hello Kitty branded Louis Vuitton Mini Cooper.
Sylvie:
Hello? That sounds so unnecessary. What the fuck? Okay. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I love that Hello Kitty is getting her weird little Eldridge fingers in every market. She’s diversifying her portfolio and I respect it, but also hello. So she’s just got her little Eldridge paws, or hands, everywhere.
Jordan:
I think they’re paws.
Sylvie:
But she’s not a cat. She’s a little girl.
Jordan:
She’s a cat shaped little girl.
Sylvie:
Really unsettling. Really unsettling things being revealed to me today.
Jordan (41:30):
I just love that it’s not just a Hello Kitty Mini Cooper. It is a Hello Kitty Louis Vuitton Mini Cooper.
Sylvie:
It’s a lot of brands.
Jordan:
The best collab in history.
Sylvie:
Is it?
Jordan:
Disney channel wishes they could.
Sylvie:
Is it?
Jordan:
Name a better collab.
Sylvie:
Ranch and Buffalo sauce. Between Louis Vuitton, no. Are you kidding? If Louis Vuitton is a part of the equation, it’s not a good mixture. Who are you? What have you done with my union loving roommate? Why the fuck do you want Louis Vuitton? Get out. I don’t trust you anymore.
Jordan:
In my defense, I was rating that on absurdity levels. But I think in terms of overall best collab, we collab our ideas and make Hello Kitty ranch dressing.
Sylvie (42:18):
Yeah. See that sounds great.
Jordan:
There we go.
Sylvie:
But a Louis Vuitton, I’m just gonna, for the rest of you who are tuning in, who are also like, hey, where’d Jordan go? And who’s this weird?
Jordan:
The judgment in this studio closet is so palpable. Don’t worry. I’m being very adequately shamed.
Sylvie:
For the Louis Vuitton, to clarify. Nothing else. Anyways, that’s fair.
Jordan:
But that’s what I got. I love Hello Kitty. I loved her as a kid. I have recently been going through a, oh my god, yeah, Hello Kitty, that was great, she’s cute as hell, phase of revisiting that part of my childhood and just feeling that delight all over again. And it’s been great. And that’s what I got.
Sylvie:
Hell yeah.
Jordan:
What’s your DT?
Sylvie:
All right. Well, I think my DT is something that we all need after that and it’s the Bloody Mary. The cocktail, not the game you play in the mirror as a kid. So, full disclosure. I don’t actually drink, so a Bloody Mary for me is usually virgin, or is usually non-alcoholic. They call it a Virgin Mary. But the Bloody Mary is a cocktail that I love so much. I say cocktail, if you don’t know already, usually contain vodka and tomato juice and then lots of other spices and salts and things like Worcestershire sauce, hot sauce, garlic salt, celery salt, horseradish, olives, pickles, lemon juice, lime juice, kind of a garbage drink and that you can kind throw a lot of stuff in it and it still counts.
Jordan:
It’s a very savory environment.
Sylvie:
Yes. Very savory. The primary ingredient is just vodka and spicy, flavorful tomato juice. Allegedly, the thing about the Bloody Mary is that we don’t know who actually invented it. There are a few people who claim that they invented it. So one of them is a French bartender named Fernand Petiot. Petioo. I don’t know. I’m not French.
Jordan:
Close enough.
Sylvie:
Yeah. But he claims to have invented the Bloody Mary in 1921. And that is the earliest claim we have. And that’s according to his granddaughter. He was working at a New York Bar in Paris. It eventually developed into Harry’s New York Bar in Paris, which is where Ernest Hemingway and a lot of, you know, when the great writers who all liked to live in Paris, in the twenties and thirties and stuff, that was their jam. But apparently the cocktail was originally, by this guy, referred to as a Bucket of Blood.
Jordan:
That’s good.
Sylvie (44:44):
So this bar is one of the places that claims that they’re the ones who had the first Bloody Marys and they said it was called the Bucket of Blood, and also worth noting that Harry’s New York Bar in Paris also claims to have invented the cocktails the White Lady and the Sidecar, which I was like, oh, okay.
Jordan:
I love me a good Sidecar.
Sylvie:
And I know that after prohibition slash during prohibition and then into the great depression, cocktail making really kind of went some places. So it makes sense that the Bloody Mary at least came from this age. We don’t know who or when specifically, but in the thirties and forties, maybe the twenties even, if this guy’s to be believed. So another place that claims to have invented it is the 21 Club in New York in the 1930s. There’s a few bartenders who claimed to have invented it at the 21 Club specifically, but then in 1939 Lucius Beebe printed in his gossip column. And that is one of the earliest references that you can find in writing to a Bloody Mary. The description in this gossip column is “the newest pick me up, which is receiving attention from the town’s paragraphers is called a Bloody Mary. Half tomato juice, half vodka.” And that is a ratio. That is a fucking wild ratio, just half and half with liquor and tomato juice. That’s a lot.
Jordan:
That is a lot. Woohoo.
Sylvie:
So that was in 1939. And also in 1939, there was another publication called El Floridita that called it the Mary Rose. And it had the main ingredients of a modern day Bloody Mary. And then also the King Cole Room in New York St. Regis hotel is another place that claims that Bloody Marys were invented there. So there’s a lot of specifically New York bars that claim it. But, the same guy, Fernand Petiot, whatever, who apparently invented it in 1921, he also is rumored to have said that he invented it in 1934 to refine the drink that had been publicized elsewhere as another bartender’s drink being just half tomato juice, half vodka. So it’s really a lot, but basically, so here’s this quote. This quote is really what sent me.“I initiated the Bloody Mary of today. Jessel said he created it, but it was really nothing but vodka and tomato juice when I took it over. I covered the bottom of the shaker with four large dashes of salt, two dashes of black pepper, two dashes of cayenne pepper and a layer of Worcestershire sauce. I then added a dash of lemon juice and some cracked ice, put in two ounces of vodka and two ounces of thick tomato juice, shake, strain, and pour. We serve 100 to 150 Bloody Marys a day here in the King Cole Room and in the other restaurants in the banquet rooms.”
Jordan:
So this man may not have invented the Bloody Mary, but he ossified it.
Sylvie:
Basically, is I think the gist here, but he also may have invented it according to his granddaughter. So there’s a lot of-
Jordan:
Very sordid history.
Sylvie:
I know. Right. And the thing is that so many people want to have a claim on the Bloody Mary, because it’s a really popular cocktail. It is one of the classic hangover cure, hair of the dog type cocktails that people will often have with brunch. I know I personally can just slam a Bloody at any point. I really like ’em. Yeah. So while it is sort of unknown where it came from, you know what is also unknown? What the name means. You know what, we also can’t answer that question. Because there are a lot of people who think that it is called the Bloody Mary and associated with Queen Mary I of England who was nicknamed Bloody Mary, right. ‘Cause she was one of the people who tried to reestablish the Catholic church in England and failed miserably and is a common woman in folklore and myth and whatever. So that’s one guess. Right? But we just don’t know. And then other people think that it might have been inspired by a Hollywood star, Mary Pickford. Other people trace it back to a waitress named Mary who worked at a bar in Chicago, and the bar was called Bucket of Blood. And so the tradition at Harry’s New York Bar in Paris, according to an interview from 2011, a manager there, is that one of the patrons, who first had the cocktail in 1920 or 1921 declared, it looks like my girlfriend who I met in a cabaret. And the cabaret’s name was Bucket of Blood and the girlfriend’s name was Mary. And so the patrons and the bartender agreed to call it a Bloody Mary. And then there’s another one. There’s one more option, the name may have also arisen from a failure to pronounce the slav syllables of a drink called Vladimir, in English. “It does gain some credibility from the anecdotal observation that the customer at the New York Bar for whom Fernand Petiot prepared the drink in 1920 or 1921 was Vladimir Smirnoff of the Smirnoff Vodka family.”
Jordan (49:30):
Ohhh, it’s all coming together.
Sylvie:
I know. So, very muddy history, which is very interesting to me.
Jordan:
Yeah. See, you said it and I was like, oh, well, if it’s called a Bucket of Blood, but then another bar called it a Mary Rose, did those just get combined?
Sylvie:
But everyone’s got their own fucking story. And they all sound okay. But the same thing, we don’t know who invented it. We don’t know who it was named after officially. We don’t know.
Jordan:
It’s just a cocktail of mystery and intrigue and blood.
Sylvie:
Yeah. Apparently. And so here’s the thing that really gets me is that I love a good Bloody Mary. So a non-alcoholic Bloody Mary is often called a Virgin Mary, which I think is pretty funny. I have like cans of Bloody Mary mix in our fridge so that I can just mix one, throw some pickles in there. Maybe some pickle juice, some lemon juice. Obviously get some hot sauce, maybe some Worcestershire sauce if I’m feeling a little extra salty. We don’t have any celery salt, which is the one thing that I’m missing. But also who has the time to actually salt their own rims when you’re not bartending, I used to work at a bar for a long time. I don’t need it. I don’t need it. I don’t want it. Celery salt is good. But the reason that Bloody Marys are so popular is genuinely just because so many people love a good savory drink. And because it really does feel like, at least on a placebo effect level, a great hangover cure, because it’s very salty. So it helps get your electrolytes back up, but it also has a heavy citrusy vegetable base to settle your stomach, and then alcohol, which does numb aches and pains. So when you’re hungover and you want to get a start on your day, I guess, a bit of the hair of the dog, Bloody Mary, and it’ll just get you going. It reminds me of people who do just shots of pickle juice when they’re hungover.
Jordan:
Apparently very good for electrolytes.
Sylvie:
I mean, you’ve seen it. I sometimes, sorry, everybody, this is gross, I will sometimes just drink the pickle juice out of a pickle jar ‘cause I always get Claussen pickles, if you know, you know. But basically, this cocktail is very tasty to me. I like it a lot. I’m probably gonna make one for myself after we’re done recording ‘cause it sounds real good. We’ll say my preferred preparation is usually with a lot of garnishes and that’s the other thing, the sky’s the limit with a Bloody Mary, you can add clam juice to it. And then it’s a Caesar, which is a very popular Canadian drink. And I know there’s lots of people that do and love it. And that’s awesome. You can add any type of hot sauce, any type of Worcestershire sauce, you can add whatever you want. And as long as there’s still that base of tomato juice it’s still probably a Bloody Mary.
Jordan:
I will say I personally am not a Bloody Mary fan.
Sylvie:
It’s not for everyone.
Jordan:
But what I do like is when you make a Bloody Mary and you cut the slices of salami with the little slit in the bottom so you can stick ’em on the edge of the glass.
Sylvie:
Like it’s a lemon slice.
Jordan:
It’s delightful. It’s my favorite.
Sylvie:
Thank you. I don’t want the salami to actually go into the tomato juice too much. ‘Cause then you just have salami in your drink. There is some sort of mental barrier there for me. I don’t know what it is.
Jordan:
It’s just like a meaty tomato boba.
Sylvie:
Yeah. And I don’t love that. So I usually try not to. Oh, celery. So it did start very much simpler. I say that as if that whole list of all of the things that dude Fernand added in sounded simple, but the garnishing was usually just a lemon slice and a celery. That is the traditional garnishing, rim of celery salt, lemon slice, celery stick. But obviously that’s changed a lot. And people who like Bloody Marys usually just go buck wild to put whatever they want in there. Myself included. Jordan has seen me walk out with three pickles, just in the cup, with the ice and everything.
Jordan (53:16):
I love that for you.
Sylvie:
It’s just like a snack and a drink all at once. It’s so good. I love it. I added chili garlic sauce to my last one, ‘cause I was too lazy to get down onto the bottom shelf and get out the giant bottle of Frank’s RedHot Sauce. So that was maybe a gross choice on my part, but it tasted really good. It was very spicy, really cleared out my sinuses. Here’s the thing that I really want to zero in on is the types of names and the variations on the Bloody Mary name. Because we’ve already talked about the Virgin Mary. But there’s a lot of these names floating around. Okay. So the variations usually depend on what kind of alcohol is in it. If you add tequila, people call it a Bloody Maria. If it’s non-alcoholic it can be called a Virgin Mary or a Bloody Virgin or a Virgin Bloody Mary, or my favorite, favorite way to refer to a non-alcoholic Bloody Mary is a Bloody Shame.
Jordan:
That’s very British.
Sylvie:
It’s so British. I love it. Ooh, if it’s made with gin, it can be referred to as a Red Snapper. If it’s got a Rye or bourbon or whiskey, you know, something brown, it’ll sometimes be called a Ruddy Mary. Or a Muddy Mary. If it’s made with absinthe it’s called a Bloody Fairy.
Jordan:
Holy Moses.
Sylvie:
I know. I kind of wanna try one. And then if you have anything licorice flavored it’s called a Bloody Miriam.
Jordan:
Ooh. That’s fun.
Sylvie:
Yeah. Some of these are a little like, ooh, okay. ‘Cause a Bloody Maria for adding tequila or if you add sake to it, it’s called a Bloody Geisha.
Jordan:
Yikes.
Sylvie:
So there are certain things that I’m like, okay. Yeah. Do we need to?
Jordan:
That was less good than the other ones by a long shot.
Sylvie:
Yeah. Yeah. But just Bloody Fairy with absinthe and then a Bloody Shame with non-alcoholic.
Jordan:
Bloody Shame is very funny.
Sylvie:
It’s so good. So that’s it, I love Bloody Marys. They’re very tasty and I want one in my mouth now. So let’s wrap up the show and the podcast.
Jordan:
Okay. All right. This has been Or, Learn Parkour from Wholehearted Production Company.
Sylvie:
You can find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Buzzsprout, anywhere that you can find a podcast, you can find us.
Jordan:
Special thanks to Krizia Perito for our cover art design. You can find her at Petalhop, that’s P-E-T-A-L-H-O-P on Instagram, Twitter and Etsy.
Sylvie:
Thank you to Tom Rosenthal for our theme song, There is a Dark Place off of the album Keep a Private Room Behind the Shop.
Jordan:
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Sylvie:
You can find links to all that shit in our episode description.
Jordan:
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Sylvie:
And if you feel so inclined, you could also support us by writing a review, sharing us with a friend or family member, or enemy. I don’t know what your life is like. Or, if you’re able, we do also have a Ko-fi if you feel so led, and you can find a link to that in our Twitter or Instagram.
Jordan:
You sure can. Do we have an outro question?
Sylvie:
I got it. What Valentine’s day candy are you most excited to eat?
Jordan:
Oh, that’s a big choice. I’m gonna say chocolate covered strawberries. That’s not candy. I’m bad at this. The sour hearts, sour conversation hearts.
Sylvie:
Yes. Love that.
Jordan:
What about you?
Sylvie (56:35):
I have a full pack of fun dip Valentine’s and I’m gonna eat ’em all.
Jordan:
Amazing.
Sylvie:
Well, you can have some too.
Jordan:
All right. I’m Jordan.
Sylvie:
And I’m Sylvie.
Jordan:
And this has been Or, Learn Parkour. Thanks for tuning in, we will see you in two weeks. Bye.
Sylvie:
Ba-boing.