OLP 028: Hulk Hogan ASMR – Transcript

EP 028: Hulk Hogan ASMR

[Intro audio: “There is a Dark Place,” by Tom Rosenthal]

Jordan (00:28):

Hi, I’m Jordan.

Sylvie (00:30):

And I’m not Lex.


But this is still Or, Learn Parkour. 


And it’s still a podcast about ADHD done by two people who have ADHD. 


We still do. 


Yeah, just a little quick throwaway housekeeping note here. I am going through a name change, mostly because the person who’s behind the company Swamaton is the worst and has made everyone with my name, my current name, made their lives a lot worse. So, anyways, I’m gonna start going by Sylvie now. So, you can refer to me as such. If you are family or old friends from real life, you know, whatever floats your boat. But if you’re anyone else, it’s Sylvie now. Everyone clear? Everyone clear?


You best be. Sylvie.

Sylvie (01:33):

Yeah. So, that’s really it though. You know, same person, different name to make my life easier. And ‘cause, if you know me, you know that I’ve always wanted to have a different name. 


It’s a dope name.


And this is a good name. And I like it. And it wasn’t a dare from college, it was my choice. So, we’re hoping this one will stick. 


Were your other names dares from college? 




That was a dare?


I went by Bambi for four fucking years on a dare. 


I did not know that it was a dare.


It was a dare and the name was picked for me. 


That’s not a bad one for a dare. 


Yeah, no, I think it came down to Mac and Bambi. And I’ve learned from that experience that I am a lot better at hearing people say my name when it has the E sound at the end.

Jordan (02:27):

It’s very good. I like the E at the end, as I demonstrated earlier, it’s very good to just yell your name annoyingly and bother you. 


Yeah. I mean, I would expect nothing less. You know what I mean? 


Good. I’m glad we’re on the same page there.


If you didn’t then it wouldn’t feel like you really embraced it, you know? 


Oh, I’m embracing it. 


Oh yeah, no, no. That’s what I’m saying. You definitely are. And I love that, but if you didn’t feel free to make fun of me, then there would be something drastically, horribly, dreadfully wrong. 


That’s what I’m here for. Just dunking. The thing that I was gonna say though, is that MacBambi absolutely sounds like some sort of venison burger at a gastro pub.

Sylvie (03:04):

Wow. Wow. I mean, that was so accurate. It physically pains me a little bit. I can’t go from there. You’re right. You’re right.

Jordan (03:14):

I’m the person who should be ashamed though, that I’m that in tune with the gastro pub vibes.

Sylvie (03:20):

The gastro pub scene. Yeah. Well, so as you can see, we’re still the same two dumb dumbs who bring this shit for brains podcast into your space. 


Into your brain. Into your heart, hopefully. 


I was gonna say into your holes, but I didn’t mean it that way. So, you see why I did not directly say that. You see that I would only say that when prompted for more. See, we all witnessed that I decided against it, but I let you in on it because this is also a comedy podcast, allegedly. So, buckle up because this week we are doing one of the types of episodes where we talk about our own personal experiences. 


We sure are. Click it or ticket, baby. 


Yeah. No. And I’m sure a lot of you who partake in the experience of our show, Or, Learn Parkour, I’m sure that you think that we’re just always being very vulnerable ‘cause we do just share a lot, but that’s the thing. We both just kind of overshare and it’s fun. And apparently, you all get enjoyment out of it.

Jordan (04:41):

Is that an ADHD symptom? Keeping it on brand on the podcast.

Sylvie (04:49):


Jordan (04:51):

My boss this morning asked me, so, okay, so I had to share a presentation with my company and had kind of made some jokes about well, yes, I would hope that I’m good at presenting. I did get a theater degree. So, this morning they were like, are you getting that theater degree ready? Are you doing your vocal warmups? And my boss was like, are you a musical theater person?

Sylvie (05:12):

What’d you say?

Jordan (05:17):

Oh God, no. You know, like a liar.

Sylvie (05:19):

Oh, your response was, oh God, no?




Okay. Okay. I was like, are you telling me no?

Jordan (05:30):

I’m going to stop the story and say fuck you, you want the end of it?

Sylvie (05:31):

I was like, clearly you’re a musical theater kid and not an improv theater kid because that was the worst yes and I’ve ever heard, but you did. You did. That’s what I’m saying. You did. So, everything I said was like, if you know. Okay. So, yeah. So, tell me, okay, so you lied, you did lie then.

Jordan (05:52):

I told the truth under imaginary circumstances.

Sylvie (05:56):

Yeah. Okay. That’s super fair. Wait, so, why would they ask you? I bet they’re onto you. 


I think that I had said something about vocal warmups. I didn’t start it.

Sylvie (06:09):

It’s only a matter of time. What if they have an office karaoke night? What then? What are you gonna do then?

Jordan (06:16):

I’m gonna pray that day doesn’t happen anytime soon.

Sylvie (06:22):

Yeah. Fingers crossed for your sake.

Jordan (06:24):

Yeah. I don’t think I can hold my inner Patrick Stump back. 

Sylvie (06:29):

No. And you shouldn’t, to clarify, but in terms of hiding it, whuh-oh. 

Jordan (06:34):

A bummer.

Sylvie (06:35):

It’s a real bumski.

Jordan (06:35):

It’s a bummeroni pizza. I mean to clarify, obviously I did get a theater degree. I do theater. I love doing it. I love the people that I get to work with. I respect the form, but I’d made a Naruto joke in the group chat a day before. So, I was already on thin fucking ice.

Sylvie (06:55):

Now was this the day before or after you saw the language from Dr. Who in a logo search or something and you had to fight back saying something about it, ‘cause you didn’t want to tell on yourself. 

Jordan (07:08):

Those are all in the nearby days to each other, yes.

Sylvie (07:12):

Give me the silent treatment. Classic older sibling. You’re welcome.

Jordan (07:22):

That is such a great segue. Thank you, Sylvie.

Sylvie (07:27):

Anytime. See, new name, same bitch.

Jordan (07:31):

It’s gonna be your Christmas present, just a shirt that says that.

Sylvie (07:34):

You know that I really just want a friendship necklace that says get up, go piss as the design.

Jordan (07:40):

That was the best idea I have ever heard in my life.

Sylvie (07:43):

Credit where credit is due, our friend Cal designed some very good friendship necklaces that really left us feeling inspired is what I’ll say.

Jordan (07:52):

Unparalleled. Unparalleled. I was literally crying tears out of my eyes at beholding that majesty.

Sylvie (08:01):

Yes. Oh, because you know what friendship necklaces say when it says get up, go piss, when you separate them?

Jordan (08:07):

Get go.

Sylvie (08:09):

Up piss. Can you imagine being able to wear that around with your besties? Maybe get a few phrases in case you’ve got a big group.

Jordan (08:17):

You’ve got get up, go piss. You’ve got, what would some other phrases be? 

Sylvie (08:24):

Yeah, no. I said it realizing that then I would have to come up with ideas that were funnier or equal and on par to what Cal’s idea was. And I don’t think I can under this pressure.

Jordan (08:35):

Yeah, nothing’s gonna beat that. I will say maybe in the top five. 


Oh, different colors. 


Oh, different colors is good. Get some glitter in there. 


It’s an option. Sorry. What were you saying? 


Bummeroni pizza.

Sylvie (08:44):

That’s really big for, wait, is that one shaped like two halves of a pizza?

Jordan (08:48):

I imagined it was like, I’ve seen ones where it’s a whole pizza when they’re together and then it’s four of them. So, if you have a big group, like you were saying.

Sylvie (08:56):

Oh, I see. So, you could tailor it.

Jordan (09:00):

Yes. So, if you are just killing the game at adulting and far and above most other millennials we know, and have three other friends, that’s the necklace for you.

Sylvie (09:10):

Yeah. Wow. See, I was imagining with a pizza best friend necklace, my first thought was the slice of pizza and then the chunk of cheese and pepperoni that inevitably got stuck to another piece and kind of got slid off and kind of gets cut off and it’s a kinda lump. And I’m like, well, how do you make that look cute? But I’m like, oh, someone will find a way, but no, the slice thing, that’s cool too.

Jordan (09:35):

The bonus one is just the little plastic table in the middle of the pizza.

Sylvie (09:40):

Yeah. Actually though, now that I’m thinking of option two bonus with the pizza set, a little peppercini.

Jordan (09:54):

That’s very good.

Sylvie (09:57):

Now I just kind of want a little pepper necklace

Jordan (09:59):

A little peppercini necklace. Well, Christmas is coming up.

Sylvie (10:04):

I have so many necklaces. I do not need more, but how cute though? Oh, actually though I want to, at some point, get a tattoo.


Of a peppercini?


No, like a throwaway tattoo of a pepper and make it a tiny tattoo so that-


Goddamn it.


If people ask me-


Goddamn it.


If I’m cold-


I hate you so much. 


I can just say, oh, well I’m a tiny pepper. And they’ll say what? Or if they’ve heard the joke before they’ll-


I quit the podcast 


They’ll murder me in cold blood right on set. That’s not how life works. It’s not on set. It might be.

Jordan (10:49):

And then you’ll say, what, Sylvie? What will you say?

Sylvie (10:52):

Well, I’m a tiny pepper. You know, I’m a little chilly.

Jordan (10:57):

This has been Or, Learn Parkour by Wholehearted Production Company. You can find us on Spotify.

Sylvie (11:08):

Stop. No, listen, listen. See, I’m drawing the attention all to me. Classic youngest sibling behavior. What are we talking about this week? ‘Cause we still have not introduced it.

Jordan (11:24):

You’ve gaven us two- gaven us.

Sylvie (11:28):

Gave it to me. You gave.

Jordan (11:31):

You gaven me two great segues. So, this week we are talking about ADHD and birth order. And like Sylvie said, this is going to be a little bit more of a discussion, we’re gonna share our experiences and a couple tidbits episode because we wondered, especially, you know, I got to hang out with your family over the weekend and see you hang out with them, which you know, I don’t see a whole lot. And I know you’ve met my family and we have some similarities in our family dynamic, but some differences because as most of you probably already know, or won’t be surprised to find out, Sylvie is a youngest sibling and I’m an oldest sibling. No way. Right.

Sylvie (12:17):

Wow. What?

Jordan (12:20):




Jordan (12:21):



Oh my gosh.

Jordan (12:24):

Yeah. So, we were curious about where-

Sylvie (12:26):

Blowing my mind. I don’t know what this character is.

Jordan (12:33):

Woo. Do you follow up? ‘Cause I was about to say something.

Sylvie (12:35):

I was just like, what, who is this? Who is this person that has inhabited you at this point, Sylvie?

Jordan (12:45):

I feel like it’s a very supportive classmate that you’re not actually friends with when you’re kind of eating shit in a class presentation.

Sylvie (12:54):

Yeah. I was imagining, you know, that kind of coded as not very smart sort of cheerleader, trope, character. And most high school setting and college setting sort of shows or movies. I’m imagining that person, but they’re actually super, super chill. They just kinda like-

Jordan (13:18):

Yeah. You think that they’re kind of dumb and mean ‘cause they’re a cheerleader and then they have that last scene in the movie where they’re helping someone with their math homework or something.

Sylvie (13:25):

Yeah. Or I’m imagining, in this specific situation, you’re in the public bathroom at the school or whatever. I don’t know what sort of movie I’m writing in my head right now, bear with me everybody. It’s a bear. It’s a very sick sounding bear. I’m sorry. But I’m imagining they’re in a bathroom and the main character and the best friend are having a heart to heart sort of talk, you know, it’s very serious or whatever. And then near the end this cheerleader comes out of the stall and drops some sort of wise, like, it sounds like maybe you need to prioritize what you want and think about your future, you know? What uplifts you? Also, sorry, I was eavesdropping, but I was pooping before you got in here so I wasn’t gonna just stop. And then she washes her hands and leaves.

Jordan (14:23):

I’m very invested in this character now. It’s like Elle Woods’ stoner cousin.

Sylvie (14:28):

Yeah, it is.

Jordan (14:32):

Which, I heard that they’re making a third one.

Sylvie (14:34):

Yeah. But I feel like we get that news every couple of years. Is there gonna be a third Legally Blonde? And I hope it’s real. 


I do too. 


But I also am hesitant because I’ve had my heart broken before, you know? And it can be really hard.

Jordan (14:51):

It’s hard to open yourself back up after, that’s the thing.

Sylvie (14:53):

When you lose what you love most.

Jordan (14:58):

And there’s just a part of that spark that you can’t get back.

Sylvie (15:06):

Sweet mercy. Okay. So, birth order. Rumored to have some influence on the way that people behave and are raised. That is actually a sort of school of thought and study. People do observe the differences between oldest children, youngest children, middle children, only children, children of big families where there’s multiple middle siblings and whatever. And so we’re not really gonna talk about that ‘cause you probably have heard something about it. And ADHD is genetic. So, that’s our little attempt at making this topical. I mean, it is topical.

Jordan (15:49):

Yeah. And I think, you know, the questions that I was sort of curious about that I’ll pose to you now, because that’s what we’re gonna do this episode, is in the way that being a youngest sibling has affected your behavior, how would you say that that maybe affects the way that you experience your ADHD now or may have experienced your ADHD when you were younger? Would you say that that family dynamic changed your experience getting a diagnosis? Things like that.

Sylvie (16:18):

Yeah. Well, I mean, just for some context and to explain where I’m coming from, yeah, like Jordan said, I am the youngest of three and I am a lot younger than my siblings. They’re 8 and 12 years older than me so I have kind of an interesting situation of my formative developmental years as a child or as a youngest child. But by the time I was hitting puberty and onward, I was basically an only child because my siblings moved out, went to college, did their own stuff, you know, so it was a very different dynamic of going through the teenage developmental years as an only child, but growing up as the youngest child, ‘cause I think that I have some traits of both an only child and the youngest child. And the good ones too. But the stereotype’s there. Well, I guess I would love to hear your idea of the stereotype of a youngest child or an only child. They do overlap a lot. Yeah, this is definitely putting you on the spot. I wanna hear what you’re gonna say.

Jordan (17:34):

In terms of stereotypes. Or in general? 

Sylvie (17:38):

Yeah. ‘Cause I think that’s also helpful to be like, here’s what is assumed in terms of how youngest siblings behave and then how that might have differed because of ADHD. Is that helpful to know that that’s where I’m going with this?

Jordan (17:52):

Great. So, I guess the first stereotype that comes to mind is kind of the kid who gets away with everything. So, that’s one. That looked withering. It was equal parts withering and shit eating.

Sylvie (18:10):

Yeah. And what about it?

Jordan (18:12):

Also, I feel like there’s a stereotype of being a little bit more emotionally direct of just being like, I’m feeling this and you’re all gonna know about it. I mean, in contrast with being an older child where the perception is, you know, I’m going to lock that shit down, emotions wise. So, you know, being maybe a little more emotionally direct and more vocal about your needs. Did I miss any?

Sylvie (18:46):

Spoiled. I think spoiled would be the last one. I say that because I think that there are a lot of negative perceptions that are usually, I would say, accurate, in my experience.


You said it, just for the record.

Sylvie (19:01):

Of course I am. I’m the baby of my family. And I recognize, I know my place. I understand my role. At the same time, I always take the middle hump in the backseat. That’s not a thing that happens anymore, but there are several things that I will say people sometimes forget, that when you’re the youngest.

Jordan (19:21):

You have to sacrifice so much.

Sylvie (19:23):

You have no one else to bully because it all trickles down to you, so you just get bullied by everybody and you don’t have anyone else to bully. And so that’s where it comes, this hardiness of you can’t kill me in a way that matters. That sort of energy is definitely some youngest sibling energy, at least for me.

Jordan (19:42):

No, that’s fair. I guess on the flip side, it’s your turn now. What would you say the stereotypes of an eldest child would be?

Sylvie (19:49):

Responsible and more rule abiding or, I feel like there’s two different types of oldest siblings, right? There’s the type that is like, okay so I’m the one who has to just sort of be in charge because my parents have a lot on their plate and I need to behave as best as I can to make their lives easier. And to make everyone else’s lives easier. And God, why won’t my younger siblings just please try, God, please, to work a little harder for mom and dad on this one. Am I touching on anything here? I don’t know. I may be way off. Yeah. So, there’s that. Or I feel like oldest siblings sometimes can be very aloof, completely independent sort of, you know what I mean? 




I think there’s kind of two options that I see there and sort of the embracing the responsibility that is encouraged for eldest siblings versus avoiding and rejecting that responsibility that is placed on eldest children.

Jordan (20:51):

Yeah. That makes sense.

Sylvie (20:53):

Did I get close? I don’t know. Just a guess.

Jordan (20:56):

There’s plenty to work with in that for sure.

Sylvie (21:00):

Sure is. So, I guess saying all that, it sounds like we both do relate to a lot of those stereotypes based on our reactions. Just a guess, just a little guess. So, for you then, do you think that having ADHD impacted the way you behaved as an oldest sibling? Or, I mean, the questions that you were throwing around earlier of, do you think it affected how you were diagnosed and/or not diagnosed? You know what I mean? Give me the relation here between being the oldest sibling and ADHD.

Jordan (21:37):

Yeah. So, in my experience, I think the first thing I remember is kind of jumping off that idea of, I need to behave a certain way to make other people’s lives easier, a very loud and very immediate feedback loop to acting out, to when I wasn’t doing that. It was immediately noticed and the effects of it were very immediate. So, I think that I got a very loud message of why that would be a useful, in that time, way to act, you know. And I think that I remember that more in the elementary, maybe middle school age, and I think in high school that kind of turned into, I know how I’m supposed to behave. And I think that generally being socialized as someone who was assigned female at birth, but especially with that responsibility and that attention as an oldest child, it meant that I was very much socialized out of a lot of ADHD symptoms. In terms of, like we’ve talked about before, we’ve talked about this is how ADHD is categorized on the whole. We’ve just mentioned it. We didn’t come up with it, but inattentive ADHD, which is what I have, versus combined type versus hyperactive. I think that a lot of my, what would have been, hyperactive traits were socialized into inattentive traits. I had to internalize those. And then in high school and beyond I felt like I leaned into maybe following the rules a little bit more, but it was an interplay of like, I know that I can’t behave out of line in a certain way, but I’m also really, really easily bored of these rules. And I don’t feel like I fit into the system they were made for. And I feel like I’m a lot smarter than the people that they were made for and by. So, I got very good at just not getting caught or being the responsible one to earn the right to break the rules, if that makes sense. I don’t think that this is necessarily an older sibling thing, but, sorry, mom and dad, I skipped a lot of class just ‘cause I was smart enough to figure out how to do it. Or I had classes where the teacher trusted me so much he just said, yeah, just bring me a coffee when you come back. So, yeah, I would say that that was a pretty big part of growing up, was just that interplay between, you know, I feel so much of these things, I’m thinking so quickly. I’m struggling to find my place, but the ramifications if I don’t behave felt massive. So, that was kind of my experience. And in terms of the question, if that affected how I got a diagnosis, I honestly don’t know if it did in that sense and I’ll touch on that later ‘cause there have been some studies done on this exact same thing that are, spoiler alert, not super conclusive, but ask some interesting questions. But if you guys have listened to the episode that my parents came on and talked about it. 


It’s a very good episode. 


It’s a great episode. It was an absolute delight to record and it was kind of insightful for me. I think that there were so many other circumstances going on as to what my school life was like and what my mental health options were at that point in my life that I honestly don’t know if it would’ve changed anything if I was somewhere else in the birth order, if I had an older sibling or two or three. So, that’s my bit. What about you?

Sylvie (25:12):

Okay. Yeah, I feel like just as a whole, oldest siblings do generally have, in my experience of oldest siblings that I know, can sometimes be a little bitter about the sort of lack of attention or sort of responsibility that they felt was put on them. You know what I mean? And I don’t mean to say that oh, you’re bitter but I feel like it’s interesting to compare our tones in this episode ‘cause that was very vulnerable and honest and very sad.

Jordan (25:48):

Oh God, I’m sorry.

Sylvie (25:49):

No, it’s okay. You bring some weight to stuff sometimes, you know, and it’s good. No, we need it. ‘Cause if it was just this, oh God, if it was just always goofs, oh boy. 


All Sylvie, all the time.


Not to say that I can’t get vulnerable and not to say you aren’t goofy ‘cause we definitely do both. But I was just gonna say I think that a big reason why I have combined type ADHD, if we’re thinking on the nature and nurture, in that sort of realm of socialization and how that impacted things, I was the youngest sibling. My parents were so tired. Dad got sick with MS when I was in first or second grade or something. I don’t know. I was very young. And so my parents both worked full time, my siblings were older than me. I ended up sort of just like-

Jordan (26:40):

I mean you’ve described it a lot as being a millennial latchkey kid.

Sylvie (26:43):

Yeah. Independent in the sense that I spent a lot of time alone and a lot of time, coincidentally, just getting to read books, play video games, go play outside in the woods whenever I wanted. I had pretty much no structure except for when I joined all of the extracurriculars, because since I was the youngest child, by all lot, my parents didn’t have to pay attention to all three of their children at once. And so when I was in high school, my mom was able to drive me to different practices and rehearsals and whatever. And so it was interesting how it just kind of flipped depending on what our lives were like collectively as a household. But, generally speaking, I got to do whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted and I didn’t do anything super bad. Or the things that I did do that weren’t great, I knew how to hide them because, separate reason for learning how to hide things, than all the other siblings. But I mean, we all learned how to do it. We all learned how to hide stuff. It’s just for different reasons, usually depending on where you are in the birth order and what your family dynamic is like.

Jordan (27:50):

I do wanna clarify before anyone starts getting the idea that I’m interesting or fun. I was skipping PE to sit in the locker room and read Anna Karenina. It wasn’t like I was gonna go smoke weed with my friends out behind the gym or anything like that. I didn’t get invited to do that.

Sylvie (28:06):

But it floated your boat. That was your water displacement.

Jordan (28:12):

It sure was. it sure was. I just know that my parents listen to this podcast and they’re gonna be like, wait, what, what, who is this person? And well, no, it’s still me. It’s still me. I was skipping my drama class to go get coffee for my drama teacher when I came back for drama rehearsal.

Sylvie (28:34):

Yeah. No, that’s fair. I mean, when I was a TA my senior year of high school for 10th grade biology, there were several days where if I was tired and I had already taken care of all the plants in the greenhouse and checked in on all the lizards and turtles and snakes and everything, after I’d done all the tasks I needed to do as the TA for that period, the teacher had just put a mini fridge with Mountain Dew in it, but the fancy sugar cane, you know the one when they came up with the raw sugar Mountain Dew, but just always had a 12-pack of cans in there and would let me just shut the door to the back office and take a nap if I really needed to. It was awesome. 

Jordan (29:17):

That sounds like a tight gig.

Sylvie (29:19):

I mean, I also helped grade papers and helped with labs and helped with whenever they would play jeopardy or class games. It’s helpful to have two, an adult and then an assistant basically, but it was fun. But also sort of same thing of, well, you know that I’m not gonna go on some sort of week long runaway bender probably. So, yeah, you can take the keys for the school for a little bit. That’s fine. Just go get this from my car while you’re out there, thanks. So, things that we’ve talked about before ourselves as friends and I think I speak for both of us when I say that it is truly a delightful thing to have in common to have that experience of having certain teachers, like you, entrust you that much. But also are so chill ‘cause they’re like, that’s fine. Like, whatever, who cares? You’re not doing something that’s gonna ruin your life right now. You’re fine. If you need a break, you probably need a break. We need more teachers like that. I don’t know. I mean, I guess, probably administrative people and their safety issues and liability and whatever, but, oh. So, I can’t remember what I was gonna say.


But you didn’t answer the, do you think that affected if/not if, you did get diagnosed, if that affected the diagnosis process. 


Right. So, socialization wise, I think that I didn’t have anything putting any sort of suppressing force on any part of my ADHD. And so I think just all of it just roared forth. Like a-


Like a wave.


Yeah. I have combined type and people will just show a list of things that combined type ADHD people will experience. And it’s the most basic list, in every single bullet point I’m like, this is a very, very mean thing specifically aimed at me and I hate it.


Called out. 


Yeah. No, it’s pretty rough, but not that rough because we get to talk about it on a podcast, at least. 


Yeah. Here we are. 


Yeah. But I would say that as the youngest sibling and having the option of my parents’ full attention, but not having their full attention by choice, you know what I mean? There were maybe some things that were either missed because they had their own lives and were doing their own thing. And I don’t know, if my parents do ever listen to this episode, I’d wanna just make the same clarification of, you did fine. I’m fine. Everything’s fine. I love you very much. Everything’s fine. It just sounds depressing, but it’s not. Maybe it is and I’m desensitized. Who cares? Anyways, I think that in terms of getting a diagnosis, it definitely, I don’t know if it’s directly related to being a youngest/oldest child and not really having any structure, but I think it probably is pretty connected in that once I reached college and then grad school and the less and less structure I had, the more and more my life sort of just unraveled at parts because there were just things that I had just never had any reason to utilize. And so I think that, you know, may have affected the fact that I didn’t get diagnosed till way later in life, you know? So, yeah, I guess sort of same thing, right? This is not conclusive, but that’s my experience and it seems like it’s connected.

Jordan (32:50):

Yeah. That makes sense. And I think you’re really not alone in having the experience of, I was fine and then my structure got trashed and now here I am. Welcome. Pandemic ADHD diagnosis team. You are in good company. It’s interesting, I was looking into this episode ‘cause we were like, let’s not do a big education station episode this time. Let’s just talk. And I was like, I’m gonna research it. 

Sylvie (33:21):

Yeah, okay. Well, what do you got? 

Jordan (33:24):

There have been some studies on if birth order affects ADHD and they’re not super conclusive, but there have been a couple that have said that it is more likely for eldest siblings to be diagnosed with ADHD. Yeah. One of the things that they suggested that I thought was interesting was that they’re measuring how likely it was to be diagnosed with ADHD and one of the things that they said was possibly a factor that was maybe not as much more likely to have ADHD, but there’s also a stereotype of parents being a little bit more finicky, a little more nervous, a little more, sort of, eagle eyed.

Sylvie (34:06):

Yeah, they’re paying more attention with the oldest, with the first one. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jordan (34:12):

So, they would just be more inclined to go, is this normal? Is this a problem? Let’s get this checked out. What’s going on? So, they’re just more likely to be assessed than other kids because of that. 


That makes sense. 


Yeah. One of the studies also concluded that they said firstborn children may receive simultaneously less parental resources and more responsibilities if younger siblings are born. And the fact that that happens during a vulnerable developmental period of ADHD. I don’t exactly know how that happens, the mechanisms of it, but they suggested that that could be an effect as well. So, well, as an eldest sibling, I thought that was interesting and rang fairly true.

Sylvie (34:57):

Yeah, that’s fair. Makes sense. Well, cool. Nerd. Thanks for bringing some research.

Jordan (35:03):

Yep. You’re so welcome. And again, like I said, there’ve been a lot of inconclusive studies about this and these are just a couple people who are like, we noticed that it’s a slightly higher trend, or there’s a trend, but we don’t know exactly what’s causing it. So, we can’t say that this is a solid conclusion yet, but I thought that those factors were interesting.

Sylvie (35:22):

I know, I thought that you thought they were boring and useless and that’s why you decided to bring them on our podcast.

Jordan (35:28):

This is actually an ASMR podcast. We hoped you’d be asleep by now.

Sylvie (35:32):

Stop it. Stop. This would be really bad ASMR, just truly awful. Grating. Not relaxing at all.

Jordan (35:41):

If there’s someone out there who finds this podcast relaxing and likes to listen to it to relax.

Sylvie (35:45):

Oh, actually, I have heard our dear friend, of us and the show, Sean Hendrickson, has listened to this podcast while falling asleep before. So, if that’s what’s happening now, sweet dreams, sweet prince. May the hibernating bears welcome you into their open arms for a nice little snooze.

Jordan (36:06):

May you drift into dreamland on a warm river of French onion soup.

Sylvie (36:10):

And may your roommate not come in and assault you in your sleep, as he is wont to do. Anyways, that’s how you manifest.

Jordan (36:25):

So, aside from our mutual consistent love of harassing Sean, what’s your DT this week?

Sylvie (36:32):

Shit, I forgot. Give me a sec. Pause it. Okay. Do you remember what I said it was gonna be?

Jordan (36:46):

You didn’t tell me ‘cause I said what’s your DT and you’re like, I’m not gonna tell you, I’m gonna save it. You said that to me yesterday.

Sylvie (36:52):

I did say that to you. Oh fuck. I shot myself in the dick. Oh, yep. I remember. Okay, everyone. Okay, team. I remembered, we’re good. We’re back. It only took half an hour or so. I’m just kidding. It was only 30 seconds. It’s fine. Okay. It was, it was not that long. Okay. It’s very specific, very niche. Not anything that’s very relatable. Unless you have similarly funny relatives who have the same exact joke or have the same exact sense of humor, which I’m sure exists. But if you’ve had this exact conversation before, I don’t know. But so we’re sitting at the table with some of my family and we’re talking about TV shows and, context, we’re sitting with several older male relatives and, you know, talking about how a lot of their wives and daughters and friends who are women, et cetera, all watch this Scottish show called Outlander. Jordan knew exactly what I was gonna say as soon as I started the DT, but they did not know what it was gonna be before this moment. See, I’m glad that I held off. I’m glad that I saved it. So, we’re talking about this show Outlander. I’m sure several of you have at least heard of it. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea. I’m not gonna say it’s a good or bad show. That is not my place to say. Tread cautiously. That’s what I will say to you. 


Check the trigger warnings on that. Check, does the dog die and all those good places before you start it, if you’re intrigued. 


Yes. Because I can see why people like it because I did personally binge all five seasons in one week. And I’m fresh off this binge, I find out that some of my relatives really like this show and I’m sitting with other relatives who are related to the relatives who love Outlander and they are like, yeah, no, my wife loves that basically Scottish softcore porn show. It’s great, you know, can’t get her away from the TV when the new episode drops or whatever, you know, that kind of conversation. A little later down the line, you know, where we’ve moved on and we’re talking about, inexplicably, someone brings up what movie and TV adaptations would be best if they were done with the Muppets. And I believe it was one of these same relatives, one of these older men. Very gentle, very chill, just enjoying his turkey and mashed potatoes. Just chilling, having a conversation with-


I’m so sorry. I’m trying so hard [inaudible]


And so he just goes, Outlander but with the Muppets. And I’ve been so hooked on this whole idea because I’m just, see here’s the thing, just real quick. This is my DT so we’re going to just explore and play in this little space that we’ve created. So, for those of you who watch Outlander, you know. But if you don’t watch Outlander, the basic plot, which I’m not really spoiling anything, ‘cause it’s the pilot episode, you get it right out the gate. There’s this woman from the 1940s who, after World War II ends, is reconnecting with her husband who was away at the war while she was actually a nurse at the front lines. And there’s this whole thing. So, World War II ends, they go on a sort of pseudo renewing honeymoon to get to know one another after the war and they go up to Scotland because he’s a history professor. And so he’s showing her around all of these historical sites, including these stones and circles that, you know, that the Druids performed, you know, different rituals, et cetera, et cetera. You see where this is going. She goes back the next day, this main character, Claire, goes back the next day, ‘cause she wants to check out some flowers. She touches one of the stones ‘cause she can hear it vibrating and humming. And she finds herself dropped right down into the 1740s in the midst of conflict, because this is about the time when the British army is called Redcoats, in real time, and the Scottish are counting on Bonnie Prince Charlie to reclaim the throne for the Stewarts. So, she falls into a completely different world and, of course, falls in love. But I won’t tell you with who. But imagine with me, because one character has to be human and the rest are Muppets, which means that either Claire, the main character, is played by miss Peggy to the actor who plays opposite of Claire to play Jamie, or Claire is the human who falls back in time and falls in love with Kermit the Frog wearing a kilt.

Jordan (42:52):

As much as I love the idea of Kermit the Frog, I wanna propose an attempt at a-

Sylvie (42:59):

Are you trying to be subversive with the Muppets?

Jordan (43:02):

No, I’m not trying to be subversive. I’m just thinking about the saucy elements of that show and how to make it a little less unbalanced in that respect.

Sylvie (43:14):

That’s what I’m saying, ‘cause you have one human.

Jordan (43:19):

Well, because this is a historical show, I’m wondering, and I have not watched any Outlander, just so you guys know.

Sylvie (43:27):

Yeah. Can confirm.

Jordan (43:30):

But is there, sort of like the king shows up in Hamilton just for that bit part, one Monarch or real historical figure?

Sylvie (43:41):

If you watch Outlander, you know, and you know what I’m thinking and you’re also hating it. It’s okay ‘cause I’m hating it. She meets the Sun King, King Louis the- which one is the Sun King? Louis VIII? Let me check. Okay, yeah, no, it is Louis the XIV. Okay, yeah, no, I mean, she meets Louis the XIV, the Sun King at Versailles. Bad, not good things happen. So, that’s the thing. This show, it’s not ideal. It would not be a good show for a Muppets remake, but it’s so fucking funny to think about.


It’s so horrifying you have to laugh. 


Yeah, no, I would not like to see Kermit the Frog assault somebody. Thank you. So, that’s what I’m saying, there are monarchs that come in, but the whole sort of thing with Outlander is, no one is all good. Everyone’s got something wrong with them. Everybody’s shit stinks, but there are many of them who do have, if I may say, even stinkier shit than other people.

Jordan (44:55):

So, there’s no way to win this one, is there?

Sylvie (44:57):

No, absolutely not. It’s just bad all around, but it’s so funny. And it’s so funny to me that it was suggested by-

Jordan (45:04):

One of your uncles. At family Thanksgiving.

Sylvie (45:09):

Yep. It’s very good. So, that’s my DT. Yeah.

Jordan (45:14):

It was very good. I was there for that moment and reliving it now has been such a treasure.

Sylvie (45:21):

You’re welcome. Hopefully for those at home, you either know Outlander and you also thought it was funny, you don’t know Outlander, but you know of it, so you thought it was funny or you just laughed anyways, ‘cause you’re nice. And you just make sure that I feel good on this one. All right, everybody. Okay.

Jordan (45:39):

Crushed it. Best DT ever.

Sylvie (45:41):

Please laugh.

Jordan (45:42):

Ha ha ha ha. No, but for real, the sounds of my just choking on my own laughter, trying to let you get through that but not too oppressive.

Sylvie (45:54):

Yeah. That’s super fair. 


I was struggling. 


No, that was good though. It really fed me spiritually, you know?

Jordan (45:59):

Yeah. It’s the least I can do, bro.

Sylvie (46:02):

Yeah. What’s yours though?

Jordan (46:02):

So, my Dopamine Trampoline this week are leaf sheep. Have you heard about leaf sheep?

Sylvie (46:10):

I think I’m about to hear about leaf sheep.

Jordan (46:13):

So, leaf sheep, they’re also called sea sheep. Apparently, they’re originally called Shaun the Sheep by the researchers who discovered them, they’re sea slugs. They were originally discovered off the coast of one of the Japanese islands in 1999, so fairly recent, fairly new to the scene, in sea slug time. Also, now we know that their habitat is that area and the Philippines and that area of the ocean. These are the cutest little motherfuckers I have ever seen. 


Well, hit me with it. 


I’m gonna show you a picture. I’m gonna share some.

Sylvie (46:52):

Gimme. Gave it to me.

Jordan (46:57):

Forgive the bumping.

Sylvie (46:59):

Yeah. Wow. They’re just little dudes. They’re little dudes. They are definitely alien looking, like most things under the sea. But for aliens under the sea that is very cute. That is very, very, very cute looking.

Jordan (47:21):

And they’re tiny. They usually grow between five millimeters and a centimeter. I know. So, they’re lady bug size. They’re just little dudes. We’ll share some pictures to the Gram and the tweets. So y’all can revel in the delight that is leaf sheep.

Sylvie (47:44):

They just look so small. They’re just little dudes. I don’t know. I don’t know what to tell you. They’re just cute little dudes. That’s a leaf sheep.

Jordan (47:54):

Yep. Yeah. Well, and for those of you who are listening to this and not seeing the pictures yet, what they look like is, basically imagine a tiny porcupine, except instead of spines it’s squishy slug material, little leaves.

Sylvie (48:12):

Yeah. It almost looks like if an artichoke were made out of slug.

Jordan (48:17):

Yeah. It definitely looks like a Pokemon. And they’ve got those sort of big oval, but bigger at the bottom, white face, like a sheep or like a cartoon sheep. Like a claymation sheep, I wanna be very clear.

Sylvie (48:31):

I mean, that makes sense.

Jordan (48:33):

They called it Shaun the Sheep. And it’s got two little tiny, close together black, beady eyes. And then it’s got these ears. The ears are called rhinophores. They almost sort of look like floppy moth antenna, where they’re a little feathery and they’re purple. And there’s one on either side of its head that kind of flop down like floppy ears. So, they’re very cute. And the thing that’s super cool about leaf sheep too, is the reason that their backs are green. This is very cool. They eat algae and then they eat the algae and they absorb the chloroplast, which hold the chlorophyl, the green bit that does the photosynthesis, in their little leafy bits. And then they can photosynthesize. Which, I don’t believe there are any other animals that can do that. The only other things that can photosynthesize are plants and some single cell organisms, and leaf sheep. So, they got leaves on their back.

Sylvie (49:35):

Yeah. I don’t know enough about leaf sheep and photosynthesizing organisms to tell you anything different.

Jordan (49:41):

That’s okay. I read that on the internet. So, maybe it’s true. Maybe it’s not.

Sylvie (49:46):

Why would someone lie about the leaf sheep though?

Jordan (49:48):

It’s at least one of the few multicellular organisms that can do that. 


I’m so proud of them. 


They’re doing so good. And the other thing that’s fun is that their little floppy ears, those are also their noses and they can sense different chemicals in the water with their little purple ears. And that’s how they find the algae to eat. They’re just floating around in the ocean. They kinda look like really friendly green pine cones. And I just love looking at ’em.

Sylvie (50:19):

Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing.

Jordan (50:21):

My pleasure. I will be putting so many pictures of these on the Twitter.

Sylvie (50:27):

Yeah. I love these little artichoke shaped dudes. I feel like they are incapable of moving in a way that does not immediately remind me of a Studio Ghibli movie. You know what I mean?

Jordan (50:40):

Absolutely. They’re just kind of fluffing around.

Sylvie (50:42):

They just kind of bloop. Yeah, they bloop.

Jordan (50:46):

Also, I remembered the word, the little leaf-like green parts on their back are called serrata.

Sylvie (50:52):

Cute. Wow. 


It’s just a nice word to say. Serrata.


I love these guys. Wow. I just love these guys so much. Thank you. Wow. The dopamine is really off the charts right now. Okay.


I’m so excited. I’m so excited to share pictures of these. 


Hell yeah, Oh, hey, since it’s the sibling episode. So, thanks for listening to everything, thanks for listening to us talk about slugs and uncles saying things and then, you know, some bare bones birth order sort of speculation and how it relates to ADHD and all that. Thanks for tuning in this week.

Jordan (51:36):

This has been Or, Learn Parkour from Wholehearted Production Company.

Sylvie (51:39):

You can find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and most other places cool people listen to podcasts.

Jordan (51:45):

Special thanks to Krizia Perito for our cover art design. You can find her at Petalhop. That’s P-E-T-A-L-H-O-P on Instagram and Etsy and Twitter. Now is a great time to order some stuff for the holidays from her ‘cause her stuff is fantastic. Check it out.

Sylvie (52:00):

Yeah. And thanks to Tom Rosenthal for our theme song, There is a Dark Place off of the album Keep a Private Room Behind the Shop.

Jordan (52:07):

You can follow us on the soshe meeds @OrLearnParkour on Twitter, @wearewpc on Instagram and at wearewpc.com.

Sylvie (52:17):

You can find all the juicy links to those in our episode description.

Jordan (52:22):

You sure can. If you enjoy this podcast and would like to hear more, now’s a great time to hit follow, hit like, hit subscribe. You know the drill.

Sylvie (52:30):

Yeah. You could also support us by donating to our Ko-fi, telling a friend, writing a review, you know, writing a really negative opinion, sort of, Twitter thread. Still waiting for that fight. Maybe we are above reproach. No one is. Find something and we can fight, I promise.


We got beef. 


I can make it. I can make it happen. 


We can pull something out of the freezer.


Yeah. But yeah, tell people about this podcast.

Jordan (52:59):

That’d be great and we’d really appreciate it.

Sylvie (53:01):

We super would. 


I’m Jordan.

Sylvie (53:04):

And I’m Sylvie. 


And this has been Or, Learn Parkour. We’ll see you in two weeks.

Sylvie (53:08):

Yeah. Let’s see, famous siblings.

Jordan (53:10):

Oh, famous siblings. Property Brothers.

Sylvie (53:13):

Yeah. I guess they would count. 


What do you got? 


Hulk Hogan have a brother?


Does he? 


Yeah, ‘cause he’s Hulk Hogan and he says, mmm brother. Is that not what he sounds like? Wait, is that not how you talk to your brother?


Well, it is now. I’m just gonna call Ross up and be like, mmm what should we get mom and dad for Christmas?

Sylvie (53:53):

[Inaudible] Mmm, brother.

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