[Intro audio: “There is a Dark Place,” by Tom Rosenthal]
Jordan (00:29):
Hi, I’m Jordan.
Lex:
And I’m Lex.
Ang:
And I’m Ang.
Jordan:
And this is Or, Learn Parkour.
Lex:
It’s a podcast about ADHD done by two people who have ADHD. And this week-
Jordan:
It’s three people who have ADHD.
Ang:
I have it too.
Jordan:
Yeah. This is Ang, friend on the show. Who’s gonna talk today about their experience going through self-diagnosis and getting a diagnosis as an adult. Cuz that’s something that sort of happened in our podcast backstory. But that’s something that you’ve gone through fairly recently, right, Ang?
Ang:
Yeah, just a couple months ago. I got diagnosed in February officially, but I’ve been thinking I had it for the last, I don’t know, six years, but just, you know, haven’t gotten around to doing the appointment and everything.
Lex:
Huh.
Ang:
Pretty on brand.
Lex:
Yeah. Yeah. Also for some context, Ang is one of our good friends who lives out west and so we don’t actually get to hang out with Ang in person that much, but we love them.
Jordan:
We love them a lot.
Ang:
I love you guys too, so much. I wish we did get to visit more often. Maybe I’ll come to Chicago sometime.
Jordan:
That would be so good. We would love that.
Lex:
Like our futon, the cover is not just over a futon mattress. It’s over a futon mattress and a mattress topper.
Ang:
Ooh, that sounds cushy.
Lex:
It’s so nice.
Ang (01:50):
Bougie. Okay, listen, I can sleep anywhere though. So that’ll be so great. I’ll just hit the covers and just be right asleep.
Jordan:
So should we just end recording now so you can hop on a flight?
Lex:
Yeah. Pencil you in as what, five hours from Portland? Plane ride. Well, I guess you need to kind of add in-
Ang:
So I’m just coming over and then we’ll continue the episode. Cut out for a second. So you were like, should we just end the recording now? And then I didn’t hear anything. And I was like, huh, I’ve been recording for five minutes.
Lex:
Yeah. No, this has been good, but, anyways.
Ang:
Yeah. Anyway, gotta go, see ya.
Lex (02:29):
Yeah. But yeah, just some context, Ang is one of our personal friends, outside of podcast life, but they also are going through the ADHD diagnosis process, like we have talked about before. So kind of wanna just real quick, Ang, can you just give us an elevator pitch backstory? What’s your origin story? What’s your villain origin story? What are you about?
Ang:
My villain origin story? Well, it all started when I was born. Yeah, that works.
Lex:
What are your pronouns?
Ang:
My pronouns didn’t start when I was born. Well, I guess they did kind of, but listen, I changed them. Okay. So my pronouns are most commonly they/them, but she/her is fine too because I know not everybody’s good with that, but also, listen. So I’m not gonna just come out to perfect strangers and be like, I’m a they/them, thanks. So if somebody who is a perfect stranger to me is like, she blah, blah, blah. I’m not gonna correct you. It’s fine. You know what I mean? Yeah. But we’re all, I think we’re all she/theys on this podcast, aren’t we?
Lex:
Yes.
Ang (03:33):
God, I feel so at home here. She/theys, ADHD. It’s so good.
Jordan:
Yes. The brand is strong.
Lex:
You are home here, friend. Welcome. The energy in this chat.
Jordan:
But, yeah, go ahead. Give us your, what’s your deal, Ang?
Ang: Right. So listen, I’m 27. I was introduced to Jordo when I was 18 by our mutual friend, Kayt, who has been on the podcast before. We love her. And then I haven’t actually met Lex in person, I don’t think, which is wild. We have played D&D together a little bit.
Lex:
Yeah. We played D&D a little, which was very fun.
Ang:
It was a really good time. We should do that again.
Lex (04:21):
Oh my gosh, I have so much to tell you about D&D Ang, but that’s for another time.
Ang:
Not for the ADHD podcast. That’s a different acronym, thank you. Wrong one. Okay. So my villain origin story. Well, as you know, being ADHD makes you a villain. I am just evil now. No, okay.
Lex:
I was ready to back you up, I was like, yeah. I’m in.
Ang:
Like, yeah absolutely, guys, same. I’m evil too, we’re gonna go all over the place on this podcast because it’s three ADHDers in a room. Or in a chat room, if you will. So I don’t know. So I am diagnosed with inattentive type ADHD, which I feel like somebody should have known about when I was a younger child, because I’ve always been this way. And it’s very glaringly obvious to me now. My psychiatrist that I went and saw, she looked at her notes and she was like, okay, so usually I will recommend people to a psychologist if I even have the slightest doubt just in case. But she’s pointing at her notes vigorously like, listen, this right here, that’s ADHD. I have no doubts in my mind. I was like, yeah, that’s what I thought. Good times. So we are gonna go over a little bit, you know, I did self-diagnose a little bit and I was right. But anyway, at least with one person’s opinion, but it’s pretty clear. So when I was a kid, I was constantly forgetting things. I did get in trouble for forgetting things a lot. And just being a general klutz about things like, oh, you need to remember to do this. And nope, not at all. Got distracted, went off, did something else. My mom called me a space cadet constantly, and I did not listen to people when they talked to me. I still don’t, but it’s gotten better a little bit, but I still don’t.
Jordan:
Not to totally 100% roast you on the podcast, but the text message I did get two minutes after we were starting recording time was, okay, I’ll be home in two minutes. Sorry. A key smash. I did lose track of time looking at rocks.
Ang:
I love you so much. Listen, and a follow up. Wait, sorry.
Lex:
Yeah. Defend yourself first. Defend yourself.
Ang:
Oh no. Well, listen, it’s gonna be a real sad defending of myself because there is no excuse, except for ADHD. I have ADHD guys. Does that work?
Lex:
Wait, here’s the thing, I think an even better excuse is the big old honking crystal that you showed us.
Ang:
Yeah. Guys, it’s so good.
Lex:
It’s like what, at least a foot long?
Ang:
It’s gotta be almost two feet long, I think. Yeah. Giant honk of a selenite. And I’m so pleased about it. And that lady sold it to me too. She was like, it’s this much. And then I was like, mm. And I was thinking about it and I was gonna do it. And she was like, actually, I’ll give it to you for this much. And knocked like $40 off the price. And I was like, okay. I did spend way too much on crystals today, but it’s all good.
Lex:
Every good shopkeep knows that if you bundle a few things together, you can knock it down. No, that’s not true, please don’t haggle with healers. Unless that’s explicitly made clear that you can, to clarify.
Ang:
Absolutely. I was not gonna haggle her about it. I thought that was just the price. And then she was like, actually I’ll sell it to you for this. And I was like, okay,
Jordan:
Amazing.
Lex:
The inattentive ADHD of taking a minute to think about it and process what you were gonna say and, or maybe, think about ten other things before you think of an answer.
Lex:
Absolutely. I can’t make decision that quick. I gotta play back what you said to me first to make sure that I got it all right. First of all, step one, step two. Gotta think about it. Gotta consider everything. Step three. What was I gonna decide on again? I forgot already.
Lex:
That’s three whole steps.
Ang:
It’s a lot to remember, guys. But yeah, listen. Okay. So if it wasn’t immediately obvious, yeah, I do have ADHD inattentive type. So I do not pay attention to things. I lose track of time very extremely easy, which Adderall did kind of help, but not exactly. We’ll get there. I’ll start back at childhood.
Lex:
Like all the villain origin stories.
Ang:
Right? It all stemmed from there or the really sad ones. You know what? I could tell sad stories, but I don’t think I will, because I don’t think that’s the vibe of this podcast.
Lex:
It can be sometimes, but people don’t seem to like those episodes.
Ang:
I wonder why. You know, we’re lowering the vibe.
Lex (09:13):
What if we try being vulnerable? No. Oh, okay. Okay. Back to goofs.
Ang:
No, not at all. Okay. Goofs only. And I mean, that’s me in my personal life too. Vulnerable? Oh no, no. Okay. Nevermind. I will shut my pie hole forever. I’ll save this one for the therapist. There you go.
Lex:
I will do my best to stop goofing and derailing everything that you’re saying.
Ang:
It’s all good. Listen, we all get derailed so easy. I’m on board with it.
Lex:
Poor Kayt for having to be a DM for us three.
Ang:
Oh, I know, we were all over the place. Sorry, Kayt. Although I have my doubts about her maybe having ADHD or not, who knows? You never know. You never know.
Lex:
You never know until you figure it out. Like you did.
Ang (09:58):
Yeah, for sure. Okay. Because, okay, I’ve had all these symptoms for a very long time. Just forgetting things constantly. I had to get a lanyard for my keys, because I literally locked myself outta my car five separate times. And my family was tired of bailing me out. So they were like, okay, here, have a lanyard, then you’ll actually remember it. And I do, and I still have the same lanyard from when I was 18. Yeah, it’s got a little pattern of The Shining carpet on it. It’s really good. So thanks, Toby, my sibling, for giving me that. Thanks, buddy.
Lex:
They make Stephen King lanyards?
Ang:
Yeah, they do. They make Stephen King blankets too. I have a blanket with The Shining pattern on it. The little orange carpet octagons or whatever they are, hexagons, I don’t know. They’re so good.
Jordan:
And you sleep well under that?
Ang (10:41):
You do because it’s a fluffy blanket.
Lex:
Sleeping with the blanket with the hotel carpet pattern probably wouldn’t inspire the same sort of sleep-losing fear as having your child scream red rum at you, you know?
Ang:
Probably not. Or, you know, Tony, the little finger guy. As a mother, I would be straight up, in that instance, just like, nope. Nope. That’s not okay.
Lex:
This kid is seeing some weird stuff.
Ang:
Shelley Duvall’s just like, oh, can I talk to Tony? I’m like, no girl, kudos for being a cool mom, but also, girl, get out of there. Yeah. Okay, anyway, I think the first time I saw anything about ADHD and wondered if I had it- oh, actually let me go further back. I forgot about this. Okay. So one of my friends in high school was like, hey, I think I might have ADHD. And my parents are gonna go and get me diagnosed and I’m gonna go and see a psychologist. And I was like, that’s dumb, you don’t have ADHD. There’s no way. If you have ADHD, then I have ADHD. Cause I’m way more forgetful and way more random than you. Like the little random XD. And then she went and got diagnosed with ADHD. So I was like, hmm. So that was the first exposure I had, but I didn’t really think about it. And then, I don’t know, five years later or something, I was on Tumblr, just scrolling. And I saw this post that was like, things that ADHD people do that nobody talks about. And every single bullet point, I was like, I do that, like, I do that. So I was like, hmm. So I sent the post to one of my friends who has ADHD. And I was like, do you think I could have ADHD? And she was like, oh yeah, a hundred percent, for sure. You didn’t know that? Goddamn it. And so I started sending it to other people like, do you think I have ADHD? And they were like, yeah, duh. And I was like, oh my god. So yeah. I was like, wait, do I? So then I started looking it up and I was like, yeah, I think I might. So I started definitely looking up ways to combat ADHD and ways to remember things better. And, for instance, a little gross time for you, I did have a hard time brushing my teeth every day because I wouldn’t remember. And somebody on Reddit-
Lex:
Not gross at all, never been there, never. Have been there. No judgment. Mood.
Ang:
Mood, big mood. And so basically for that, at least I saw something on Reddit that was like, hey, ADHD people, put your toothbrush in your shower and then you’ll remember, it’ll just be like another step of the process that you needed to do in the shower. And that fixed it right away. And I’m good. We’re Gucci now. My dental hygiene is pristine.
Jordan:
Hell yeah.
Lex:
Hell yeah.
Ang:
But it’s good. You know, it’s good.
Lex:
Sorry for the chorus line over here. We keep saying things at the same time, in the same tone.
Ang:
It’s like you share a brain.
Lex:
It’s been happening more often lately. It’s a little-
Jordan:
It’s concerning.
Lex (13:50):
It’s weird. Yeah.
Ang:
It’s getting stronger.
Lex:
Yeah. We’re becoming one and it’s a lot.
Ang:
Hey, I’m all for it if you guys wanna merge, good. I’m supportive, in this day and age.
Jordan:
No, I think we could have a whole hive mind thing going eventually. So we’ll keep you posted.
Ang:
For sure. Definitely need to visit Chicago now so I can become part of the hive mind.
Lex:
Join us.
Jordan:
Join us.
Ang:
Okay. You don’t have to tell me twice. Who said that?
Lex:
It was the hive mind.
Ang:
You’re right, it was the hive mind. My bad. My mistake. I should’ve known. It’s because I’m not part of it yet.
Jordan:
Come on. Now’s the time. Get in on the ground floor of this, baby.
Ang:
I’m coming in, coming in. If you guys could see me, I’m coming through your screen.
Jordan (14:49):
Good. Oh, that’s fun.
Ang:
There I am.
Lex:
Obi-Wan.
Ang:
What? Pardon me?
Lex:
Or is it the other way around what?
Ang:
Wan-Obi? Right?
Lex:
When the hologram, she asks for Obi-Wan.
Jordan:
When she’s like, Obi-Wan, you’re my only hope.
Lex:
You’re my only hope. Yeah. You’re my only hope.
Ang:
I watched this less than a week ago, so I’m on it.
Lex:
Amazing. Amazing.
Jordan:
I’ve never actually seen that one. I just remember the Carrie Fisher tweet where she said you’re my only hope.
Ang:
I did not know about that, but that’s beautiful. I love her so much. She’s such a good human being.
Lex:
Yeah. I just have a picture of her in my office, up on my work board.
Ang:
Do you actually?
Lex:
I do.
Ang:
Is that not a bit?
Lex (15:39):
No, it’s not. I really do.
Ang:
That’s really good. Can you send me a picture? I wanna see this.
Lex:
Yeah. I mean, obviously on Monday when I go to work.
Ang:
Oh, okay. Yeah, for sure. Got it. I was thinking it was like in your room, on your desk or something. Got it.
Lex:
No, my room walls are less, wait, no, Mitski is on my room walls.
Ang:
That’s really good.
Lex:
I was about to be like, my room is less people I look up to on the walls, but I’m pretty sure I have Mitski up there somewhere.
Ang:
Can we curse on this podcast?
Lexx:
Yeah.
Jordan:
Yeah.
Ang:
Oh, perfect. I fucking love Mitski.
Lex:
Yes, yes.
Ang:
Favorite songs.
Lex:
Yeah. Mitski, yeah. I like to think that I have a healthy appreciation for Mitski’s art.
Ang:
Is it unhealthy?
Lex (16:27):
Probably. I’d like to think that I have a healthy obsession with her music, but I don’t think there’s such a thing as a healthy obsession. Probably not.
Ang:
Yeah, no, that’s true. Obsession just kind of implies unhealthy.
Lex:
Right, right? So, Mitski, if you ever hear this, I promise I’m not weird. I just, your music really speaks to me. I’m sorry. I’ll never have my concerts. I promise.
Jordan:
Yeah. I feel like you’re already miles ahead there, bud.
Ang:
Right? Okay. Listen, speaking of that, hyperfixations, y’all. That is a part of ADHD.
Jordan:
Yeah.
Lex:
Yeah. Thanks for bringing it back, Ang.
Ang:
I got you. We circled back, as they say in the adult world. In the office building.
Jordan:
There’s just so much synergy happening right now.
Ang (17:17):
There’s a lot going on. When is there not though?
Lex:
Yeah. That’s fair.
Ang:
What was it though? Hyperfixations.
Jordan:
You were telling us you crowdsourced your ADHD diagnosis.
Ang:
I sure did. Hyperfixations were another thing that somebody definitely should have caught on like, hey, this kid has some obsessions and they won’t fucking quit. And my sibling about killed me because I watched Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders every day for two weeks straight. We had one episode on VHS of it and, man, Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders every single day. And they had to hide it from me in the top of my closet because I couldn’t reach so I didn’t know it was there.
Jordan:
Amazing. That was such a picture you just painted for us, thank you.
Ang:
You’re so welcome. Yeah, I do get obsessions, for sure. You know how it goes.
Jordan:
Yeah, no, we definitely do.
Lex:
Sorry, I just, they had to hide it?
Ang:
They had to hide it in my own room.
Lex:
The betrayal.
Ang:
The humiliation, so debasing. Anyway, I’m so short, still. I didn’t grow any from that height. I still probably can’t reach the top of that closet. But anyway, it’s all good. Short kings unite. Woo. Really good. Cause you guys, I think, how tall are you guys? Like 5’4, 5’6?
Lex:
I’m 5’5.
Jordan:
I’m 5’8. You know, 5’4 is very tall.
Ang:
Okay, listen, I’m 5’4, okay? I am the short king here, y’all.
Lex:
Yeah, no I’m 5’5, and I’m right there with you.
Ang:
Yeah. You are just a cut above, right there.
Lex:
Continue. As you were.
Ang:
As I was. Yeah. How was I? Hmm.
Lex:
Short and kingly.
Ang:
Yeah. So I should’ve known I had ADHD because I’m short and kingly. Yes. Yeah. So I couldn’t reach the top of my closet for Princess Gwenevere, my love. Anyway, should have known. Then had the realization that, yeah, I probably have ADHD, did a lot of research. From time to time did more research and then kinda let it go by the wayside because I was like, I don’t have the money to go and see a psychologist or a psychiatrist or anything in between. And then I was kind of thinking too, I didn’t wanna look into how much medication cost, because I was like, there’s no way I’m able to afford that. And I was really worried about it. Like, what if I can afford it, but then I can’t. And then what about this? And what about that? Like, I just didn’t know enough. And so I just left it. And I finally got into a spot last year where I was like, okay, I really, really need to look into this. And I think I’m at a good place where I can figure it out and maybe get some medication or something because that would help me so much in life. I started listening to testimonials of people who were taking Adderall or taking, you know, whatever, cuz there’s a few different ones. We’ll talk about that too. And they were like, well, I can do this better now, I can do this better now. And I think the thing that somebody said that really convinced me was this YouTube video I was watching. And she was like, so the thing is, things aren’t necessarily easier, but making the decision to do things is easier. So you can do it because you decided to, and beforehand it’s really hard to decide to do things because of executive dysfunction, which, have you guys talked about? I’m sure you probably have.
Lex.
It’s come up. Yeah, we have talked about that quite a bit. It’s come up a lot.
Ang:
It comes up for me a lot too.
Lex:
Yeah.
Ang:
Yeah. Cause man, that procrastination, oh boy. When the executives are dysfunctioning they are dysfunctioning. My executives don’t function a lot. And that is definitely a thing that has improved. Not a hundred percent, for sure, but it has improved a lot, you know?
Lex:
I think it is interesting. They talk about how neurodivergent people, especially people with their executive dysfunction issues, you know, talk about how they don’t really go far in the business world. But think about what CEOs do now. Nothing. So really a brain is a lot like most modern businesses because the executives, they’re not functioning, they’re fucking useless. They’re useless. Unionize your workplace. I’m gonna say it one more time. Cause I think I said pwace, like my niece, but unionize your workplace. She doesn’t anymore. But one of my nieces used to say her Ls like Ws when she was real little.
Ang:
Oh, but that’s still cute though.
Lex:
I was aunt Wex for a long time.
Ang:
Oh, that’s adorable. Okay. I am gonna put my grandfather on blast really quick because he does say plublic instead of public. And I don’t know where it came from. And one time I kind of laughed about it and everybody else in the room looked at me like, shut up because he gets mad about it if people say anything I guess, but he still says it, where did this come from?
Lex:
That’s really endearing. It’s not funny. It’s dear. It’s delightful.
Ang (22:27):
Well, and he’s from Missouri too. So he’s got that accent that’s like Warshington and asparagrus and stuff.
Lex:
Yeah. You’ve gotta warsh your cur.
Ang:
Oh yeah, for sure.
Jordan:
Yeah, that’s what my grandma says, and she’s from Kansas, is Warshington.
Ang:
Aww, that’s so cute. I love the warshing. Put it in the warsh. I moved to Warshington.
Jordan:
Oh geez.
Lex:
So your executive function’s useless.
Ang:
Yeah. My executives were dysfunctioning and so I saw that and I was like, yeah, life could be so much easier. I’m doing life okay, but it doesn’t have to be this hard. I don’t have to struggle this hard to make it in life, kind of thing. Yeah, sure, life is okay and I can handle it. It’s fine. But I am struggling in the background and I don’t need to, I don’t have to, you know? You just don’t have to, why would you? Yeah. So that’s when I decided like, let me look up some peeps and get going with it. I also have social anxiety. So that was a really hard hurdle for me to get over for scheduling, which I am also now medicated for. And it has been helping a ton. Good, good times kids.
Lex:
That’s awesome.
Jordan:
Yeah. That’s such a gentle, self-aware position of it doesn’t have to be this hard. Cuz I think that that’s a place that I know that I got stuck kind of in, like I can make it, why can’t I just work harder? Why can’t I just make it happen? Like, I’m okay and should be able to handle this, but don’t. It’s very cool of you and yeah, you don’t have to, it doesn’t have to be that hard. So that’s a very cool perspective. Thank you for sharing that.
Ang:
Thank you. Well, I feel like too, along with that, neurotypical people will definitely be like, cause they can just do stuff. They can think of something and then they just do it, which doesn’t happen for me. Well, it kind of does now, but it didn’t happen for me. And it was the realization that it’s okay for you not to be that way. Like, there’s a word for this and it’s ADHD, kind of thing, did make me feel better about it, but also neurotypical people will definitely be like, oh no, it’s okay. You can do it. And then they just expect that that will help you like, oh, that’s the encouragement for you? And that is very sweet. It’s very well intentioned and very nice. It does not help. It makes you feel like, I should be able to do this thing, but I really just can’t. Why can’t I do it, kind of thing. Why can’t I remember all this stuff? Why can’t I make myself do this when I need to do it? You know? Et cetera, et cetera. Why can’t I pay attention? You know, all that good stuff. At least for me, for sure, that made me feel a lot better when I figured out like, oh, there are other people who do this and also you don’t have to do that necessarily. You can get some help. So yeah.
Lex:
Amazing. You mentioned it earlier that getting help also involved a couple different medications.
Ang:
Yeah. So I’m gonna give you the laundry list. It’s not really a laundry list. I’m on three right now and then one for special occasions, but I never take it. Okay, so here’s what we’re on. I am on extended release Adderall. And that stuff, man, girl, it’s so good. I noticed a difference immediately, right away. I was living with my mom at the time when I started Adderall and she was like, man, you’re so chatty and like, oh my god. Oh, that is the other thing. Okay, listen, so I had a really hard time waking up in the morning. I don’t know if y’all have that or not, or had that or not.
Lex:
I dunno what you’re talking about.
Jordan:
Yeah, couldn’t be me.
Ang:
Doesn’t sound familiar. Does it? Not at all. Right. So apparently, who would’ve thought, people with ADHD very oftentimes, I think I read 75% or something like that have issues with sleeping. And the thing is your brain is too busy at night and so you continually have a restless sleep, which was definitely happening for me. I was like, oh yeah, I’m a tosser turner. I’m a tosser.
Lex:
I hardly know her.
Ang:
Good lord, that went in so many different directions. Straight up though, I love that joke, but whatever, I hardly know her. Anyway, so, oh my god, I’m trying so hard guys. What on earth, oh, for sleeping. So the first thing that I got prescribed because I was like, yes, I have a terrible time sleeping and I sleep in really bad. I can’t fall asleep, et cetera. And I wake up during the night. The first thing I got prescribed was hydroxyzine, which is a really low duty sleeping pill. It’s basically like Benadryl. So it’s an antihistamine, but it’s actually a lot less, I wanted to say pungent, but that’s not the right word at all.
Jordan:
Fragrance?
Ang:
What’s a good word for that? No smells, just in the intensity. It’s way lighter duty than Benadryl would be as far as an antihistamine, but it does make you really sleepy and it does work really well. And so that improved everything right away. And I know several other people that are on it too that are like, yeah, I take this when I can’t sleep and ding dong, you’re gone. So it’s very nice. And it doesn’t give you any, I don’t know, I’m afraid of sleeping pills, especially, what’s that one that starts with an A?
Lex:
Ambien.
Ang:
Yeah. Ambien. I was like Adderall. Nope.
Jordan:
Sometimes it’s a sleeping pill for people with ADHD.
Lex:
The first time that I took an instant release, I just took a nap.
Ang:
Dang.
Lex:
Well, I think it was just that level of, I took an instant release and that much concentrated and your mind’s focused now.
Ang:
Now that would be really nice cuz I haven’t tried the instant ones.
Lex:
I just stopped taking them actually.
Ang:
So you’re on the XR now?
Lex:
Yeah. Just XR. I just haven’t needed it as much.
Ang:
That makes sense.
Lex:
And the crankiness come-down with instant release for me is not fun for anybody.
Ang:
I think I would’ve been bad on instant release because I did get up to 20 milligrams of Adderall, within a couple weeks of starting it. And that was way too much for me and I was super anxious and just shut myself in my room and then built shelves. So I was like, yeah, no, this is way too much for me, please put it back down. And she was like, okay. And I’m good. I’m on a 15 now, but I was on 10, I jumped up to 20 and my body was like, bitch, no. What do you think you are doing? She was basically like, hey, let’s try it and see how it goes because you have hella ADHD. And I was like, hey, it went bad. And she was like, okay. So she worked with me on it, which was nice. But yeah, it was a little wild there for a couple days.
Lex (29:46):
There’s lots of options out there. Lots of options on how you wanna be medicated.
Ang:
Right. So the other thing is I keep seeing other people saying, the people who diss Adderall and are like, oh, ADHD medication doesn’t work or whatever. Which, you know, medications are different for everybody. So take what works and don’t take what doesn’t work. But people would be like, oh yeah, the only thing that I miss about it is the rush that you get in the morning after you’ve taken your pill, half an hour later. I was like, girl, it just helps me pay my bills on time. I don’t know. I don’t get a rush. I get like, oh man, I’m a regular human now, you know?
Jordan:
Yeah. no, I’m in your camp for this one. And, yeah. There’s a very clear difference, I think, between people who take it and are not at a neurotypical baseline and they’re like, oh, now I’m at a neurotypical level of functioning, versus people who are at that baseline, for lack of a better term. And they’re like, oh, this feels like something wild. And it’s like, no, this feels like I can remember that I have food in my fridge sometimes.
Ang:
Yeah. Oh, I saw such a targeted meme the other day that was like, other people on Adderall. And it’s the doge with the giant muscles that are like, I did this and this and this. I cleaned my whole house and I paid all my bills, blah, blah, blah. And then there’s the little doge that’s crying and it’s like, me on Adderall. Now I can eat a real lunch instead of just eating peanut butter out of the jar. And I was like, no, that’s me.
Lex:
That’s rude.
Ang:
Cause if I haven’t done that so many times.
Lex:
Oh my god. The amount of times that I just stand in front of the fridge and just eat olives with my hands. They’re garlic stuffed olives too, the ones that I usually get, they’re so good.
Ang:
Oh, are they those ones from Costco that are garlic and jalapeño? Have you tried those?
Lex:
No, but I know which ones you’re talking about because my aunt always brings them cuz she has a Costco membership and so we always have them at family parties in the little charcute, you know.
Jordan:
The little charcute.
Ang:
Charcuterie. Yeah.
Lex:
So, but yeah, I get that big time and also, funny meme. It does sort of make sense that neurotypical people were like, you can’t give kids this drug. It makes them crazy. It makes them go too fast. They’re bouncing off the walls.
Ang:
Yeah. If you give a neurotypical kid that.
Lex:
And you see your friends, at least I saw so many of my friends in college, just take it for a night where they needed to stay up all night and study and then smash cut to a decade later and I’m in my late twenties and take my first instant release Adderall and I’m asleep within 30 minutes, you know, it’s bananas.
Ang:
Yeah. That’s wild.
Lex:
Yeah. I am just kind of a sleepy person. I’m just tired, you know.
Ang:
I’m no longer a sleepy person, but I don’t think it’s the Adderall. I think it’s the Effexor, which is the other thing that I’m on for social anxiety and that is technically an antidepressant, but those do keep you awake. So you know, the sleeping pills do help with that too. It’s a good time. It’s a good time. There’s a lot of little interactions here.
Lex:
Yeah. Tell us more, keep going on the medication journey.
Ang:
Oh, for sure. So the two things that I got prescribed for social anxiety, which were a month, I wanna say, after I started Adderall, because my life improved immediately from just the Adderall and then being able to sleep with the hydroxyzine. My life just skyrocketed. I was like, dang, I am living high. It’s so good here. Not high, but you know what I mean? It’s all good. Everything’s Gucci. And I do feel like when you first start taking Adderall, your body’s not used to it yet. And you’re like, everything’s so great, which, you know, has calmed down for sure. But life is still good. So, you know, all Gucci. It’s a lot better than it was still, you know, a few months later. So it’s all good. Anyway, so yeah, the other thing that I was wanting to talk to her about was social anxiety, because that keeps me from a lot of things and then I will go home after a social interaction and be totally beating up on myself. Like, what if this thing I did was awkward and I messed up my words when I said this and they probably hate me, kind of thing, which is a little bit ridiculous, but you can’t stop those thoughts sometimes. And so she was definitely like, yeah. So we have a couple things to try. She did give me a prescription for propranolol, which is really hard to say. Propranolol. I never take it. I don’t know what it is. I’ve never refilled it because it’s just sitting here full. Also it made me feel a little bit tipsy, like I had a drink or something and I was kinda like, maybe I shouldn’t take this and drive. And my psychiatrist was like, I’ve never heard that from anyone. Like, you’re wild. So I was like, well, she also called me a super responder though. So maybe my body’s sensitive. I don’t know.
Jordan:
Congratulations on being medical history.
Ang:
Oh, thanks. That’s cool. I thought you said any medical history. Huh? You want me to give you my medical history in the middle of this ADHD podcast? I mean, I can, but get ready to sit here for a while.
Jordan:
Yeah, we’re actually gonna replace the Dopamine Trampoline with the social security number.
Ang:
I don’t think that’s my medical history, necessarily.
Jordan:
We can do credit card if you want. That definitely is okay.
Ang:
Yeah. That works for medical history. This will be good.
Lex:
Don’t forget that three-digit code on the back.
Ang:
Oh yeah, for sure. Just got a new debit card too. Do you guys want that?
Jordan:
Oh, that’d be great.
Ang:
While we’re here. So wait, where were we?
Lex:
Propranolol.
Ang:
Okay. Yeah. So propranolol, which I am not gonna talk about because it’s just there. I don’t know. He’s an anti-anxiety med that’s supposed to be fast acting and she was basically like, hey, if you ever wanna, like, I’m going to this thing, but I’m really nervous to go to it and I’m gonna be awkward during it because I’m nervous, take it before you go. And then you’ll be good. And to some extent that’s true. It makes me feel a little bit funky. It’s not my favorite, but a lot of people think it’s really mild and really works well. So there’s that, but then I did start taking Effexor, which is technically an antidepressant. It is an SNRI, I don’t know if you guys have talked about that on here before, difference between SSRI and SNRI?
Jordan (36:40):
No.
Ang:
Cause that’s not technically related to ADHD either. Well, actually it is because, okay, hold on, I’m getting way ahead of myself. We’re going all over the place here. So something that they do prescribe for ADHD sometimes as a, in quotation marks, non stimulant medication, is Wellbutrin.
Jordan:
Yeah. Sorry, I’m on Wellbutrin. I was like, that’s my guy.
Ang:
Okay. Gotcha. I did a little bit of research on it because I have heard horror stories about it, but then also some really good stories, which I feel is all antidepressants, kind of thing.
Lex:
That’s all medications ever.
Ang:
Yeah. It’s kinda all medication. You hear some horror stories and you hear some success stories and you just kind of gotta wing it. It’s very individual for everybody. You just gotta figure it out, what works for you. Not what everybody else says. I don’t think I would be good on that one with anxiety just because the N is for norepinephrine. So it’s basically the serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. Is that right?
Jordan:
Sounds right.
Ang:
I hope that’s right. It sounds right. If I’m giving you pseudoscience right now, I’m so sorry. I hope it’s right.
Lex:
Say it at the beginning, but it should go without saying at this point, if you’re a long time audience member, we’re not experts and Ang is not an expert either.
Ang:
I am super not an expert. I have had one year of college. Listen to me, but also don’t listen, take it with a grain of salt. Look it up for yourself, please.
Jordan (38:16):
You’re an expert in your experience.
Lex:
What was it I said the other day? I was like, I wish I could just say this cuz it just applies to everything. Oh yeah, I was like, I’m happy for you and/or sorry that happened. Whichever one applies because sometimes I can’t tell. And I wish I could just say that to everybody, but that’s what it feels like with we’re not experts. We are as helpful and useful as you want us to be.
Ang:
We can only speak to our experience and then you can also explore that if you wish to. And that’s kind of the whole thing.
Jordan:
That sounds not wrong, serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
Ang:
I think that’s what it stands for. Cuz I can’t remember. So SSRIs are serotonin, but I don’t remember what the second S is for. Selective serotonin.
Jordan:
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.
Ang (39:11):
Okay. Thank you. Because I was like, I know that it’s only serotonin for that one and it’s serotonin and norepinephrine for the other one, for SNRI, but I didn’t remember what the second S was for. Thank you. Wellbutrin is also an SNRI, but it’s very, very heavy on the N. So basically norepinephrine, if you think about epinephrine, like an EpiPen kind of thing, adrenaline, it’s related in that sense, it can force some people who already have anxiety, Wellbutrin can kind of make you really jittery. At least some people, some people it works really well and some people it just makes their anxiety way too bad. And so I’m kind of glad that I didn’t try that one because Adderall did tick my anxiety a little bit and now it’s all good. Now we’re Gucci. But she was basically like, so we could try that. And I was like, oh, I don’t really wanna try that. She also told me that I could try Vyvanse, which I know is a stimulant medication. It’s very expensive is the only thing, if you don’t have insurance and I was just about to go and move and do a new job and stuff. So she was like, nope, not that one. So that would be for Adderall, but for social anxiety, she told me so we can either try Lexapro, I believe is the one, Lexapro, which is a drug. It sounds like a drug. It’s not the one I tried, so it’s not on my agenda of things to remember.
Lex:
Fair.
Ang (40:36):
It’s not very important to me. Lexapro, I’m so sorry. I’m sure you work great for other people. I decided to try Effexor. The only risk with that is Effexor has some pretty hefty onboarding symptoms. So for the first few weeks you can feel really draggy. You can feel really sleepy, kind of depressed. You might not be able to sleep, even though you’re really sleepy, which did happen to me. The first week was rough. I felt kind of like I had the flu. And then it can be that way when you go off of it too, but worse. So it’s kind of one of those ones that you don’t wanna go off of cold Turkey. You could, but you don’t wanna.
Lex:
Yeah. Fair.
Ang:
It sucks. So she was kind of like, you know, if you wanna try something a little less dangerous, not dangerous, but, you know.
Jordan:
A little smoother transition, a little less aggressive.
Ang:
Then we could try the Lexapro, but Effexor is also a hundred percent, a certain number of milligrams is approved by somebody, I don’t know. I wanna say the FDA, but that does not sound right. It’s approved by somebody official. Not me.
Lex:
FDA is the Food and Drug Administration, right? It should be the FDA.
Ang:
Okay. So it is, yeah. So I’m gonna say this. It might not be right. I’m pretty sure that it’s approved by the FDA.
Lex:
You couldn’t legally take it, if it wasn’t.
Ang:
I mean for social anxiety, so a certain dose is a therapeutic dose, is what they call it. And so that’s for social anxiety and then higher doses are for depression. She basically got me up to that dose and it actually has been helping me a lot. There’s a huge difference.
Jordan:
Nice.
Ang (42:06):
And the job that I’m at right now is very much like socially involved and I do not think I would be able to do it if I didn’t have medication right now. So that’s a pretty big thing for me. I’ve been going out and seeing people and talking to people and not being worried about things. And it’s pretty wild.
Jordan:
Hell yeah. That’s amazing.
Lex:
Yeah, bro. Nice.
Ang:
Not canceling all of my plans with people because I’m too anxious right before. That happens a lot. Or I forgot them because of ADHD, you know, that happens. And my ADHD is not perfect. I still definitely forget things. I got sidetracked looking at rocks today and got the big honking selenite, which I’m not gonna be regretful about because it is really good. But also I kind of wish that I had looked at my time more.
Jordan:
It’s all good, bro. It’s all good.
Ang:
Things are better, but things still happen, you know? Life is so much easier than it was. It’s very, very worth it to me at least. For some people medication’s not on the table, I’m gonna do other stuff. And whatever, it’s all good, bro. Do what works for you. Do what you’re comfortable with.
Lex:
Great message. I say this as if none of our, all of our guests have always been lovely and have had so much to contribute. And it’s just great. Another one. Another great guest. Thank you, Ang.
Ang:
Aww, thanks. Thanks, guys. I love being a guest. You’re great hosts. I feel very welcome here. Very at home. I love the ADHD vibes.
Jordan (43:32):
I’m glad.
Lex
We try to be welcoming and hospitable.
You definitely are.
Lex:
We do our best.
Ang:
I mean, we’re all ADHD she/theys so what could be better? You know? What else do you need? That’s right. It’s the crew right here. Truly, truly.
Jordan:
Yeah. I had like a list of questions I was gonna ask and you just answered all of them before I did.
Ang:
Oh, dang. Hey, maybe I am part of the hive mind? reading the paper over your shoulder through your eyes. Watch out.
Lex:
Yes. You heard, even though it was silent because I forgot what princess Leia says about you’re my only hope, you felt it and you came through.
Ang:
I felt it in my soul.
Lex:
But hey, you know what else is really cool besides you, Ang?
Ang:
You.
Lex (44:21):
Aww, thank you. Stop.
Ang:
For real though, my big honking selenite that I got today.
Lex:
Yeah. Well, I guess that kind of leads me into, so we wanted to ask you, cause we always have our guests do DTs with us, the Dopamine Trampoline. If you’re a new audience member, Dopamine Trampoline is a place where we hop on over and we take a little bit of time, each episode, to each talk about something that we really like, or that we’ve hyperfixated on or something that we liked in our past, et cetera, et cetera. It’s just whatever’s giving you dopamine at the time that you feel like talking about. And so I feel like I know what your answer’s gonna be.
Ang:
Okay. You don’t actually though, because I’ve got one and it’s not crystals, even though crystals are always a Dopamine Trampoline for sure.
Lex (45:09):
Okay. Cause I was waiting for, I was gonna ask you what’s your DT and I will admit, I was expecting you to say that big old honking crystal, but I’m excited now.
Ang:
Okay. Well today it definitely is. No, I’ve got this for you guys because also if you haven’t heard of him, you gotta look him up. I’m gonna definitely plug this guy. So Cosmo Sheldrake is, oh, so you have heard of him.
Jordan:
Yes.
Ang:
He is my new favorite right now. I am definitely obsessed with him. So he is a music artist over in England, I believe. But anyway, he makes a lot of sounds with animal noises. So birds and fish are his most common ones. And then he does do, there’s one with a pig and ravens and wolves and stuff in it. And that one’s probably my favorite, but, he does a lot of, he does this all, he can do it live and he just has a sound pad and a loop machine. And he just sings and records it and loops over himself while he’s performing. And it’s the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. I’m like, this is so inspiring. I wanna do this so bad. That’s so bad. He’s cool. He’s so cool. And, yeah, I thought that he was legit an entire whole band. I was expecting a few orchestral instruments to come out, kind of thing. And so I watched a live show of his and I didn’t realize he wasn’t a whole band. And so it was just him out there with his little keyboard and his little sound pad. And I was like, oh, surely the rest of the band will come in at any time. And then I saw him doing up the song and I was like, oh my God, it’s just him. I’m gonna die. So it’s literally just him, thought he was an entire band. It’s fine. And he can do it live. I was like, dude, this guy kicks ass. So yeah. It’s really cool.
Jordan:
How did you hear about Cosmo Sheldrake?
Ang:
So I heard about him through Kayt. Kayt gave me the song, The Moss, which is probably his most popular song, I think. And it’s very whimsical and magical, I would say. I like to call his music bog music, mythical bog music. And that’s the best description I can come up with.
Jordan:
That sounds accurate.
Lex (47:22):
And that is a vibe that we are very much fans of here.
Ang:
Oh, for sure. I mean, there’s just a lot of fish noises. There’s just a lot of fish noises in a good way. I was listening to that song over and over and like, I should probably look this guy up and then one time he just showed up on a shuffle on YouTube. And it was the solar waltz, which is a song about bees and it was so pretty. So dreamy. Please look that song up if you haven’t heard it. It’s so gorgeous. Okay. And it’s so pretty. And I was like, all right, now I’m gonna listen to more music by this guy. And lo and behold, I am now obsessed with him, which happens.
Lex:
Nice.
Ang:
That’s incredible.
Jordan:
Yeah. I’ve heard The Moss. He’s been recommended to me on Spotify a couple times and bog music feels very right.
Ang (48:05):
Very nature-esque. Like we are in nature making music out of animals and here we are. But it slaps though.
Lex:
He’s definitely come up on for the recommended bit for a lot of my like D&D character playlists. That feels right.
Ang:
That’s a vibe.
Lex:
Yeah. And now that you’re describing his music the way you are, I feel like I should be intentionally adding his music to my D&D character playlist. You know what I mean?
Ang:
Oh, for sure.
Lex:
I got a task to do.
Ang:
I mean, you know, you don’t have to like him, but just saying, he’s real good.
Lex:
I mean, everything you’re saying, I’m like, yeah. And I don’t recall ever looking or hearing music and sometimes, you know, on a recommended list and the music plays and you’re like, I hate this and you have the opportunity to give a thumbs down. I usually remember when that happens and who it is so I know not to listen to them later and I don’t ever recall doing that with this fine, who is English, I looked it up, this fine English fellow.
Jordan:
What a good name, Cosmo Sheldrake.
Lex:
I was gonna say he sounds British. When you’re like, I’m not sure if he’s British, but I think he’s British. I was like, Sheldrake is the most British last name of all time.
Ang:
When I first saw his name, I thought that was the name of his band and I was like, that’s weird. I wonder what the story is behind it. No, it’s his name, that is his Christian name, if you will.
Lex (49:26):
That’s amazing. I mean, Cosmo’s a pretty common name in Europe.
Ang:
Yeah, for sure, which I didn’t think about it all when I was looking at it.
Lex:
I know a lot of people from Sweden are named Cosmo.
Ang:
That’s kind of cool though. That’s a good name.
Jordan:
That’s a great name.
Lex:
Don’t ask me why I know where names are from. It may also have to do with the amount of D&D characters I’ve made.
Ang:
That would make sense. I mean, that’s pretty good info though.
Lex:
Etymology is just cool. And knowing where names come from and what they mean.
Ang:
That’s very true. And it’s really good for characters too, because then you can add it in the backstory and make it fit and make the vibes right. It’s a lot of time.
Lex (50:08):
I think my DT is baby name websites.
Jordan:
Okay. I was gonna ask.
Lex:
Now it’s baby name websites. Done and dusted. I’ve spent a lot of time on a lot of baby name websites over the past couple of weeks because Sean Hendrickson, friend of the show, dear loving person who I do love, did kill my favorite D&D character that I’ve made of all time. I have no hard feelings. It is a part of the game, right? You accept that when you’re playing D&D death saves are a thing I’ve made some stupid choices in a very, very hard dungeon, had some necrotic damage that knocked my character’s max HP down to 12. So it was just a lot of circumstances and Sean was not happy. We all were weeping. But the beautiful thing about D&D is that it causes those emotions. It’s cool. You can have a game where you’re having a blast and goofs with your friends, but it can also give you really deep emotional connections with the same friends. So I really wanna clarify for everybody, love Sean. Jordan is obligated to-
Jordan:
Oh yeah, I also love Sean, but also at this point, dude, you made my best friend cry. So you’re on my shit list. Anyways.
Ang:
It could have been adventure time rules where nobody dies. Like, oh, I’ll be nice this time, you know?
Lex:
Well, and you can always bring a character back. You just have to pay the in-world cost, which is quite high. So I’ve decided to just re-roll, start a new character. It’s been very fun. Gives me something new to focus on, but I’ve been spending a lot of time on baby name websites because I wanted to make sure I chose a name that felt right and cool, but also had meaning.
Ang:
It is a very important choice.
Lex:
Don’t worry, everybody. I do not have baby fever. I never have, probably never will. Hasn’t kicked in yet. And I doubt it will at any point in the future, I just got an IUD too so my hormones, they’re shut the fuck down. So yeah.
Ang:
Got those bad boys under control.
Lex:
Got that shit locked.
Ang:
I mean, I don’t have a uterus, so we’re all good. A high five.
Jordan:
There you go.
Lex:
Fuck yeah. So my DT baby names, love them. I’m not gonna tell y’all what my D&D character’s name is because my D&D party has not met them yet. And some of them do listen to the podcast and so.
Jordan:
Keep it on lock.
Lex:
But you know, I’m just excited. That’s why I was like, let me tell you about my D&D character’s name list. But, Jordan.
Jordan:
Yes?
Lex:
What is your Dopamine Trampoline?
Jordan:
My Dopamine Trampoline is teeny tiny jam jars.
Ang:
Oh, like jam? Not like you have a jam session?
Lex:
No, also great. But this week, I’ve been trying out some of those meal delivery kits where it sends you the ingredients to cook, because I love to cook, but as we have all discussed earlier, sometimes the executives are just not functioning. Then also occasionally Lex and I will eat together. But for the most part, cuz we’re on different schedules and have different food preferences. I’m just cooking for myself. So sometimes it’s not super feasible to go through ingredients fast enough to buy packages that are usually packaged for families. So I’ve been trying out the meal kit thing and got one, accidentally ordered two in a row, which was kind of dumb, but two of the-
Ang:
Hey, more food though.
Lex:
Yeah. More food though. Yeah. I can’t complain.
Ang:
Those are so nice. We’re doing a meal service with my roommates at my current place and it’s real nice.
Lex:
We’re doing some meatballs tonight.
Ang:
Nice. Can I come over?
Jordan:
Yes. We literally just talked about that earlier.
Ang:
It’s a few hours, five or six or something, on a plane. Here we go.
Jordan:
Yes. Please come over. But two of the meals I’ve had in the last week are, one of them was an apricot chicken leg and the other one was a fig pork chop. And both of them came with just enough jam for that recipe and they must have some relationship with the company, but it’s Bonne Maman jam and they make single serve jam jars. So it is that kind of round, squat glass jar with the red gingham lid. But instead of the normal size jam jar ones, they’re one ounce jam jars. So they’re like an inch and a half tall.
Lex:
I love when I get only a gram and a half of weed and they come in a little jar.
Ang:
Have you ever gotten just straight up one gram and they’ll give it to you in the little pill capsule bottle looking thing? And you open it and it’s just one little tiny nug in there and you’re like, yep. This is my life.
Lex:
Yeah. Yeah. It happens.
Jordan:
No.
Ang:
Yeah, it does. Jordan, no. That’s fair, Jordan. Valid.
Lex:
You know what the common denominator is?
Ang:
Cute little jars.
Lex:
Cute little jars.
Jordan (55:08):
Cute little jars. That’s my Dopamine Trampoline.
Ang:
Yes. Can you please send me a picture of the cute little jam jar?
Jordan:
I’m gonna do it right now.
Lex:
And here’s the thing. You’ll probably get one of these cute little jam jars in the mail eventually, because we need to make lip scrubs for our next care packages that we send to our friends.
Ang:
Are you gonna send me a nug in a jam jar?
Lex:
I probably can’t legally.
Jordan:
That’s super illegal. So definitely no.
Lex:
But if you come to Chicago, I’m not not saying that. Wink.
Jordan:
All right, well, yeah, that was my Dopamine Trampoline and I think we have three minutes left on this meeting. So should we sign it out real fast?
Ang:
Probably. Yeah.
Lex:
Yeah. I should say so, but it would be pretty weird to just let it go and then end the episode.
Jordan:
And come back and be like, all right. Okay. So bye. All right. This has been Or, Learn Parkour from Wholehearted Production Company.
Lex:
You can find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, most places cool people find their podcasts, et cetera.
Jordan:
Special thanks to Krizia Perito for our cover art design. You can find her at Petalhop, that’s P-E-T-A-L-H-O-P on Instagram, Etsy, and Twitter.
Lex:
Thank you as well to Tom Rosenthal for our intro and outro song, There is a Dark Place off of the album called Keep a Private Room Behind the Shop.
Jordan:
You can follow us on the soshe meeds @orlearnparkour on Twitter, @werwpc on Instagram, and at werwpc.com.
Lex:
You can find links to all of that as well as sources and transcripts in our episode description.
Jordan (56:39):
You sure can. You can also find in our episode description two cool deals we have going on. One, if you wanna start a podcast with Buzzsprout, there’s a cool link where you get a little kickback, we get a cool little kickback. Everyone starts a podcast.
Lex:
It’s a very fresh and sexy little sort of situation.
Jordan:
Incredibly. We also still have our great deal with Beeline Reader, where you can get a discount on any subscription with them. And time is running out on that. So check that out in our episode description or on our website.
Lex:
Bzzz, it’s me beelining reading over to my last point, which is you could also just support the show by sharing it with a friend, you know, click like and subscribe as per ushe, but you could give word of mouth sort of recommendations. That’s usually how I get recommendations for podcasts. How I recommend podcasts to other people is I listen to things that have been recommended to me. So please, please. Or you could donate to our Ko-fi, which you can find a link to that in our Instagram or Twitter or on our website.
Jordan:
Yeah. Thanks to the people who have donated to our Ko-fi, that’s incredibly rad of you. We love you.
Lex:
We love you so much, and not in a weird way, but maybe a little.
Jordan:
I’m Jordan.
Lex:
I’m Lex.
Ang:
And I’m Ang.
Jordan:
This has been Or, Learn Parkour. See you in two weeks.