[Intro audio: “There is a Dark Place,” by Tom Rosenthal]
Jordan (00:29):
Hi, I’m Jordan.
Lex:
And I’m Lex.
Jordan:
And this is Or, Learn Parkour.
Lex:
A podcast about ADHD.
Jordan:
And not parkour.
Lex:
It’s done by two complete fucking idiots who have ADHD.
Jordan:
And do not do parkour.
Lex:
Yeah. Big dream to maybe someday do it. But I mean, I’m nearing 30 and these joints are crackling.
Jordan:
Well, we’ll just hold off until you get ’em replaced and then we’ll go right to it. Good as new.
Lex:
That’s a good call, actually. I bet that’s exactly what the doctors want me to do after I get all my joints and stuff replaced.
Jordan:
Yeah. Gotta gotta break ’em in. They’re like Doc’s.
Lex:
Okay. Well, welcome everybody. We’re not experts, but we do have ADHD. So we like to share our experiences with you. And for some reason, a lot of you keep listening and partaking. I’m concerned for you, but grateful. So thanks.
Jordan:
Yeah. Thanks for joining us on another episode of OLP. We are going to share our experiences and in particular, this week, my experience has been rage.
Lex:
Okay.
Jordan:
Because people on the internet are mean, not to me specifically.
Lex:
Okay. Who do I need to fight then? Who? Sorry, everyone for my brief pause there. Kill bill sirens were going off inside my head.
Jordan:
No, that’s fair. Honestly, you probably don’t need to kill anybody. It’s probably some underpaid SEO intern, just churning out mediocre blog posts.
Lex:
Okay. I’m very confused. What’s happening?
Jordan:
Oh, for mental health websites, because if you search and Google relationships and ADHD, the entire first page, the entire first couple pages that come up are like, why dating somebody with ADHD is the fucking worst. Why they’re terrible and irresponsible and you probably feel unloved in this relationship.
Lex (02:25):
Cool. Can you tell everyone at home why you were Googling that? Because I know, but this is kind of a bummer way to start the topic this week, I will admit. Your rage is so fucking valid. Can’t wait to dig deeper, but maybe let’s give ’em some context. We’re talking about our favorite things about being friends with people who have ADHD and being in relationships with people who have ADHD.
Jordan:
That is a much more positive spin. I should have started with that.
Lex:
I mean, that’s what we talked about, what we were gonna talk about. And then you came in here, like I am full of rage and I’m so ready to make space for that, but that’s not what I came prepped with. I came prepped with my own little list that I came up with. That’s just my reasons for liking being friends with other people who have ADHD.
Jordan (03:12):
In my defense I did, when I pitched this episode, say I’m tired of reading those articles so we should do something that’s the opposite.
Lex:
Yeah. I think that’s in my defense because I’m the one bringing the positive aspects here.
Jordan:
You are bringing the positive.
Lex:
Yeah. And you’re the one who brought the rage, which is fine. Cannot stress enough how fine that is. And I am ready. I’m ready to dig back in. Those Kill Bill sirens, they’ve quieted down, but they’re still there.
Jordan:
Don’t you just wanna go apeshit sometimes?
Lex:
That’s the secret. I’m always going apeshit.
Jordan:
Yeah. So love the different approaches that we took. Do you think Mark Ruffalo has ADHD?
Lex:
Probably. Most actors seem to.
Jordan:
That’s fair.
Lex:
Most, well, a lot of us seem to have it.
Jordan (04:08):
That’d be fun to have him on the show.
Lex:
Yeah. Well that would be fun. Maybe for my 30th birthday episode, you can do a 13 Going On 30 podcast episode.
Jordan:
That would be so fun. Right? I love that movie.
Lex:
Okay. Everyone, you got it. Now we have to get Jordan and me, Lex, to the level of fame where Mark Ruffalo will notice us and know who we are and want to come on our podcast. So you know, Twitter, do your thing. Please, actually though. I mean, maybe not, that famous would be kind of scary, the type of famous where you have to have a bodyguard and security around your house.
Jordan:
I don’t wanna be that kind of famous.
Lex:
Exactly. I wanna be like Sufjan Stevens, famous where everyone’s like, I know who that bitch is. Sufjan Stevens, that guy, he wears several hats and is very sad and no one knows where he is ever.
Jordan (04:58):
I bet if Sufjan Stevens had a podcast and asked Mark Ruffalo to be on it, he would.
Lex:
Right. I don’t know. I guess we wouldn’t know because we would have to ask Mark Ruffalo if he likes Sufjan Stevens and I don’t know how we can do that without having him on the podcast. So we’re kind of in a little ouroboros. We’re eating our own tails. As per usual, we’ve gotten wildly off track. So let’s talk about relationships and ADHD. To clarify, we’re talking about any kind of relationship, but a lot of these articles do seem to be geared towards romantic relationships yet again, getting in line with the rest of our wild and wacky culture that just loves to focus on monogamous relationships in a romantic setting and nothing else. No other relationships matter. Fuck your family. Fuck your friends. Fuck your kids. No, thanks. It’s just me and my very sad, tumultuous, unhealthy, romantic relationship. And that’s the way it should be. I’m fine.
Jordan:
And just like Shaq always says, fuck them kids.
Lex:
Fuck them, kids.
Jordan:
Yeah. That’s another part of where the rage comes from is I never once specified romantic relationships when I was looking these things up and the two options online are romantic relationships or parent and child. And then some of the articles about romantic relationships were like, your problem is you’re probably treating your ADHD partner like a child because they’re irresponsible and can’t be trusted with anything.
Lex:
Deeply insulting.
Jordan:
All kinds of bad, just all kinds of bad from every angle. So thank you for clarifying that, Lex. We are talking about any sort of valuable, important caring connection between people.
Lex:
And, specifically, we’re gonna combat some of that bullshit.
Jordan (06:42):
Yeah, we are.
Lex:
‘Cause we’re ADHD people. We’re BFFs and we have been for several years.
Jordan:
Yeah we are. I love you so much, bro.
Lex:
I love you so much, bro. Clearly going super fucking well for us so far, we are podcasting in a closet. We’re podcasting in a closet, okay, I take it back. When I say it, it sounds a little sad. Take us to the rage. Come on, pick it back up.
Jordan:
[Inaudible] in here and it’s cozy and I’m hanging out with my best friend.
Lex:
Besties who sweat together, sweat a lot together cuz we live in Chicago and boy howdy, it sure is a swamp.
Jordan:
Yep. It is. It is literally, it literally is. And it’s a very nice, actually, mid to low seventies day.
Lex:
That doesn’t matter too much when you’re in a foam covered closet.
Jordan:
No, probably not at all.
Lex:
With little battery disco lights, which are so cute. Wouldn’t trade it.
Jordan:
They’re incredible.
Lex:
They’re so good.
Jordan:
They’re probably not generating that much heat. That’s just our love for each other. And our other friends and family members with ADHD.
Lex:
And our hatred of the people who wrote these articles, which brings me back, Jordan. Let’s skip back to that rage. How does it make you feel?
Jordan:
Mad!
Lex:
Yeah. Okay.
Jordan:
Bad! I should probably not yell so much. This is an audio medium. Sorry, y’all
Lex:
I mean, we can edit it. We can fix it in post, maybe. If it wasn’t just shot off the charts. Well, we’ll find out.
Jordan:
It’s a little Clippy. It’s a little, it’s a little Microsoft Word assistant up in there. Yeah. It’s just a little, just a little hair clip.
Lex:
Just a little supercuts clip.
Jordan:
[Inaudible] with that document up in here.
Lex (08:26):
I love that we went for two different types of clips.
Jordan:
Just a little like your body’s halfway through the floor and your arms are straight out and the video game.
Lex:
Oh, clipping through. Okay. I was like, yeah, it’s like a [inaudible] rapping persona. Huh?
Jordan:
So good clipping. Listen to clipping [inaudible].
Lex:
Oh, like a piece of a plant,
Jordan:
Like a piece of a plant. Like a newspaper article. Yeah. Wow. Like a mom.
Lex:
We’re doing coupons.
Jordan:
Very important. We’re doing umbilical cords.
Lex:
I mean, I think you kind of snip those.
Jordan:
Ah, that’s very different.
Lex:
Yeah. Like I think you actually cut it like this.
Jordan:
Nails.
Lex:
Yeah. You clip your nails. Damn. We are doing, I thought that I was like, haha, what? How many versions of the word clipping are there? There’s a lot.
Jordan (09:14):
Fast. Going fast, clipping along.
Lex:
Oh yeah. Going on a good clip.
Jordan:
Especially on a boat. I feel like that’s a boat.
Lex:
I feel like it’s horsey.
Jordan:
In tandem with a good clop. Clippy clop.
Lex:
Yeah. I don’t know why saying clippy cloppy like that really sent me, but I’m glad that you also kinda lost it there. The brief silence. No, don’t laugh. Don’t laugh. It’s stupid. It’s a stupid thing to laugh at. But Clippy clop,
Jordan:
It just feels funny in your mouth.
Lex:
Yeah. If you’re able to wherever you are right now, give it a go. Give it a try. Say clippy cloppy. Do it.
Jordan:
It’s funny, right? It’s kind of funny. Clippy cloppy. You’re welcome.
Lex (10:14):
Stop fucking laughing. Cloppy that.
Jordan:
Get out.
Lex:
No, we’re recording, my laptop’s [inaudible].
Jordan:
Yeah. That’s fair.
Lex:
Okay. So rage and anger. And hatred. Biting, killing, screaming. Yes. Biting, killing, screaming, yes!
Jordan:
But not yelling. Yeah. Okay. We got it. It hurts my feelings.
Lex:
Shut the fuck up. This is funny. It hurts my feelings. This has been Or, Learn Parkour, bye.
Jordan:
Riding away in my feelings.
Lex:
Oh man. Don’t ride away in your feelings just cuz you got your feelings hurting. Come on, wheelies back over.
Jordan:
[Inaudible] prepare for that. Okay, I take it back. I understand why people don’t wanna hang out with us.
Lex:
Well they’re fucking stupid.
Jordan:
That’s fair. You’re dumb as shit.
Lex:
You’re so fucking dumb. Hey, you know what? You should, wow. I’m trying to think of a good thing to say that’d be funny, but always in my head, every saying just comes out incredibly mean and offensive. So I’m gonna hold that back. But go fuck yourself, people who write these articles.
Jordan:
Okay. Can I briefly amend that? Can I say go fuck yourself, people who request these articles? Because like I said, I’m sure there’s some poor marketing intern who’s like, this sucks. But they need to eat.
Lex:
I guess. I don’t know the demographics of blog writers these days, but mental health blogs. I immediately picture, I don’t know, a mom.
Jordan:
Who? Like a Pinterest mom?
Lex:
Yeah. And in that case I’m like, go fuck yourself. I love how I was like, I can’t think of anything that’s not incredibly mean and insensitive. So I’ll settle on something a little lighter, a little easier. Go fuck yourself.
Jordan (12:27):
Eat shit.
Lex:
Just shove so many wads of sandpaper up your asshole. Okay.
Jordan:
Sit right on a cactus.
Lex:
With the sandpaper in your asshole. Get in there. Hurts, doesn’t it?
Jordan:
Put some fucking pink sauce on your cereal and eat it.
Lex:
Oh my God. Okay. So I think we’ve probably established our bias in this argument.
Jordan:
Yes. I’ll admit that.
Lex:
I would argue, being two people who have ADHD and have, personally, we both have a lot of friends, not in a like haha I’m so popular way. But we both have a lot of people that we’re friends with and we care deeply about and they care deeply about us and that’s lovely. And you know what, bet none of ’em read these articles and let’s hope that they don’t. Jordan, give us a little sample. Give us a little taste. What do these things say?
Jordan:
Let me just pick one up here. Okay. First article that comes up, adult ADHD in relationships. This is what the snippet of it on Google says, the first sentence it gives you. If you’re in a relationship with someone who has ADHD, you may feel lonely, ignored and unappreciated. You’re tired of taking care of everything.
Lex:
Great fucking start.
Jordan:
Second article: Your ADHD Relationship Survival Guide.
Lex:
What is this, Ned’s declassified?
Jordan:
Exactly. It’s not. You’re not that cool.
Lex:
Are we something that you need to survive?
Jordan:
If you feel like you need to survive your partner, there are bigger problems.
Lex:
Yeah. Let’s just take a beat there, right? Don’t be in a relationship if you feel like you’re literally fighting for survival in it.
Lex (14:12):
I promise there are more fulfilling ways to spend your life. So jot that down.
Jordan:
Continue. Oh yeah, so the snippet for this one is the partner with ADHD may skip chores or leave jobs unfinished or constantly misplace the car keys or lose important papers, disorganization, dot dot dot. It goes on to say more, but that’s the snippet. Well, next article that comes up, there’s more, is Six Ways ADHD Sabotages Relationships.
Lex:
Fucking A.
Jordan:
ADHD in relationships. How ADD can hurt couples.
Lex:
God, you’d think that we are the weapons of mass destruction that Bush was hiding all those years ago. Sounds like we can do a lot of harm.
Jordan:
If I would’ve known this earlier I would’ve harnessed it.
Lex:
Is this what they mean? When they say ADHD is a superpower? Am I actually a super villain? Am I Thanos?
Jordan:
Just snap and everybody who writes shit like this will disappear?
Lex (15:14):
Refresh it. So they’re wrong?
Jordan:
No shit they’re wrong. There we go. Yeah.
Lex:
Yeah. So that’s the vibe.
Jordan:
That’s the vibe. There is a very pervasive stereotype and assumption about what being in any kind of relationship with someone with ADHD is like, whether it’s romantic or platonic, familial or undefinable. And I think first and foremost, if that’s the information that you constantly get, whether you’re someone with ADHD or not, it’s going to color the way you feel and color the way you act.
Lex:
And color the way you view the person that either you are or who you are in a relationship with.
Jordan:
And it sucks. It sucks to get that message of you are too much, you are irresponsible and you can’t be trusted and you’re just hurting the people that you love. And you’re an effort to take care of. Here’s the thing. And this is my thesis statement of this whole entire thing. I’m gonna drop it now.
Lex:
Okay. That is how thesis statements usually work. You start with a little bit of an opener and then you hit ’em with a thesis statement and then you support your argument.
Jordan:
So here we go. Everybody takes effort to love. Everybody is a person with their own quirks and positives and negatives and we’re all human and we’re all going to hurt each other sometimes. And we’re all gonna figure out how to love the people in our lives that we wanna keep in our lives as best we can. And whether or not those quirks, positive or negative, have something to do with ADHD. Maybe they do. Maybe they don’t, you don’t have to have ADHD to be a bad partner. There are plenty of reasons. There are plenty of ways to be a bad person and be unkind to people that have nothing to do with ADHD. And likewise, as a person who has a lot of friends that I love very much with ADHD, you can be a wonderful, kind person.
Lex:
Yeah. A pretty solid thesis statement. I can get behind that.
Jordan:
Thanks. I have my master’s degree now.
Lex:
I don’t have the authority to give you that, but if they could give me one, they should probably give you one.
Jordan (17:33):
Yeah, but that might cost money.
Lex:
Not if you get a teaching assistantship or research assistantship. I didn’t pay for my masters. I paid for my masters by working for the university.
Jordan:
But if you’re working for the university, then what job do you have that pays for your food and rent and shit?
Lex:
I mean, it was a tight couple years. That’s why it’s hard, but you don’t have to pay for it.
Jordan:
That’s fair. Anyways. That’s my soapbox. That’s my bandstand. That’s my sermon on the mount. Be kind to each other.
Lex:
Yeah. Can I ask, what are the most common things that they suggest? Do you know what I mean? What are the things about a partner or a friend with ADHD that are so bad that they had to write so many fucking think pieces on it? Like they got together on shark tank to just shit on people with ADHD. Huh?
Jordan (18:26):
Jesus. For real, it tends to circle back to the idea that people with ADHD are inherently irresponsible and they’re going to continually disappoint you and forget about your needs.
Lex:
Dang. dang. Well, fuck me, I guess. Everyone avoid me cuz I’ll hurt you somehow I guess, which I will cuz I’m a person.
Jordan:
And so will the person in your life who doesn’t have ADHD.
Lex:
Yeah, exactly. It’s fuck all to do with the brain worms. It’s just sometimes people are dicks. Sometimes there’s misunderstandings.
Jordan:
I feel like being able to say, oh it’s ADHD, is almost a benefit because, like I said, anybody can do that. But there is a huge difference between somebody continuously forgetting about you and letting you down and somebody making that mistake from time to time. But being able to show that they’re working hard not to, and that they have a very valid reason that’s not that they don’t care or they don’t try enough. ‘Cause there are certainly people who are just not trying enough. You know?
Lex:
Yeah. Or again, it is kind of wild to me that if you forget your keys more than twice, you may or may not be going to hell. That’s kind of the vibe, they will forget to pay bills. They will forget about your anniversary. They will forget about your children. And it’s like, what the fuck? What do you think ADHD is?
Jordan:
Fun fact. There, I think it was 1884, was someone with ADHD who coined the phrase, throw the baby out with the bath water.
Lex:
That probably doesn’t help our case much, but it’s fine. It’s funny.
Jordan:
That’s also bullshit. I was lying to you.
Lex:
Oh, okay. I, I was like you said it was such authority, I was like, okay, yeah. I’ll believe anything, honestly. I’m very gullible, but not because I’m stupid. I’m just like yeah, sure, whatever. Someone’s like, you fell for it. I’m like, fell for what? What did you say? I don’t remember. And they’re like, I just said it and I’m like, I know.
Jordan:
Also, there’s a reason, I’m not gonna make any claims as to how this phrase came about, but there is a reason that the phrase stranger than fiction exists, life is often that. So if you come up to me and you’re just like, oh, did you know that they discovered that applying peanut butter to the bottoms of your feet will make you grow taller. I’d be like, okay, I’m not gonna do it, but I’m not gonna stop you.
Lex:
Yeah. No, like, okay, if that’s the hill you wanna die on, have fun. But I’m one of those people that someone’s like, ha did you see gullible’s written on the ceiling? And I’m just already looking up cuz I’m lost in my thoughts and then they’re like, haha, gotcha. And I’m like, what?
Jordan:
You wanna know something fun and not a bit or bullshit at all. The word gullible was actually written on the ceiling of my high school drama classroom.
Lex:
You assholes.
Jordan:
I didn’t do it.
Lex:
No, I know. But your ilk, your kin.
Jordan:
You know who you are, listening to this.
Lex:
Yeah. That’s wild. Theater kids are so fucking stupid. Love you all.
Jordan:
Yeah. Absolutely.
Lex:
Hey, so how about we combat all this negativity, huh?
Absolutely. And I do wanna say before we move on, if there is someone in your life that you care about and sometimes somebody’s ADHD symptoms cause problems and you guys have to work on that together, I don’t wanna say any of this to invalidate you, but you are clearly already a step ahead of all of these articles in that you’re treating the people in your life like people that you are always going to have to figure out how to love best and grow alongside.
Lex:
Yeah. And I will say a lot of those articles, it feels a little bit like, and the point still stands, whether you have untreated or treated ADHD, right, the point still fucking stands. People are people, but I can see how someone with untreated ADHD who may not know that they have ADHD could be experiencing a lot of those symptoms at a much higher rate in the day in day out. And how that could be really exhausting for someone else. But you don’t tell someone who’s going through a bad depressive episode that they just need to love themselves first, before they can be loved by others. Well, some of you do say that to people and I would advise you to kindly, respectfully shut the fuck up. But you wouldn’t tell the person with the broken leg that you’re disappointed in them for not taking the dog for walks. You know what I mean? So just think about it. I would also like to piggyback and just reassure, if you’re struggling with your own ADHD or you’re struggling to properly care for and love someone with ADHD in the way that you want to, we’re not trying to invalidate that. Godspeed. It’s just the tone.
Jordan:
The tone and the frequency.
Lex:
And the premise. It’s the premise that people with ADHD are automatically gonna be the worst and shouldn’t be trusted or dated because by golly, they will make your life a living hell is sort of the energy, you know? And I don’t know why I keep saying sort of, or kind of, that’s the energy. That’s the message. So let’s knock that back right on its fat ass. Actually, no, it’s not good enough for having a fat ass.
Jordan:
No, flat ass. No, I don’t wanna judge anybody.
Lex:
Yeah. I know. I was like, as soon as I said it, I was like, oh, well let’s knock this thing on its stupid fucking ass.
Jordan:
Its unwiped ass.
Lex:
Its unwiped, sticky, stinky ass. And clean it. Just clean it up. Okay. Clean it up. That’s the point, clean it the fuck up. But let’s go with some positive stuff. I personally wrote down a few things.
Jordan:
Yeah. Let’s hear ’em.
Lex:
About what I love about having friends with ADHD. First one, built in, the fact that they get it. That’s sort of the base for most of these is that, oh, you get it. You understand why this might be happening in my life. And I understand why it might be happening in yours. Ergo, you know, agreeing that if one of you is a little late that’s okay. Cuz you’re both probably a little late. The fact that people, my friends with ADHD often don’t mind that I’m doing something on my phone or with my hands while we’re talking. Cuz they know that I’m still paying attention. I just need to do something with my hands in order to pay attention. And they don’t automatically assume that I’m trying to ignore them. Oh the other big one is telepathy.
Jordan:
Yeah. Honestly.
Lex:
I say that sort of jokingly, but it’s like when you get close enough to somebody who also has ADHD, AKA how Jordan and I are a lot of the time, we don’t actually need to speak full sentences to one another 90% of the time. We can either just say a word or make a noise or even exchange a look. And we know what the other one is thinking. And other times it has happened so many times where we haven’t discussed what we’re about to say or talk about. And then we’re like, hey, I meant to talk to you about this. And then the other person’s like, I literally was just thinking about that literally right now, literally. Telepathy.
Jordan:
It’s wild. And I think half the things we do say out loud are pretty much our own language.
Lex:
Oh yes. Unintelligible, completely unintelligible to the outside listener, we really do our best to try and make this as accessible as possible. I don’t know that we do a great job of that, but we have you here, so thanks.
Jordan:
Godspeed.
Lex:
Godspeed. It’s just a short little list basically. Just people with ADHD are super creative like me, they think outside the box, like me. And it’s just a vibe. It’s a wave of length of sometimes, and not always, sometimes there’s just different layers of neurodiversity that sometimes we just can’t parse and that’s okay. Right. But Nami and Jordan got you. Hell yeah. What were yours?
Jordan:
I have a list as well. And yes, to everything you just said. Number one is just when you meet somebody who has the same brain worms as you and they just get it and you can click with people in a way.
Lex:
Spider-Man in the middle of the street at each other.
Jordan:
Truly. Truly. It is. It is unparalleled. And I am so grateful for the relationships in my life where, I realize I probably have more friends from early childhood that I talk to on a regular basis than most people, I get the impression when I talk about these people. And it’s cuz we click like that. And it’s a beautiful thing and I am grateful for all of those people immensely. And I think that goes hand in hand with the second thing I was gonna say, which is curiosity and sometimes tending into that hyperfocus zone, but the passion and the interest that people with ADHD can approach things with. Because for better or for worse, we love novelty. That shit is great. We also love oftentimes people pleasing and that in and of itself is maybe not the healthiest, but you do gain, I think, a set of skills of understanding what people need and how they feel really quickly and really intuitively because it is, at some points, a survival mechanism. But once you understand that and you can use it for good, I mean, that’s how you get people and being on the giving end of that feels really good when you can make somebody feel like that. And being on the receiving end of that. I’ve been asked questions about my life and what I think about things, which is very important to me in any kind of relationship, by people with ADHD that I had never even thought about. And it feels really good to feel seen and feel like people want to get to know all of those things about you. That’s a really special thing. And I think that ADHD people’s natural curiosity makes that happen in a really unique way.
Lex:
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. People with ADHD usually don’t get upset when you ask a lot of questions. Yeah. It’s really nice. Genuinely, people have thought I’m stupid for so much of my life because I ask so many questions. I just wanna know. And I want clarity and if I’m not sure, I’m gonna ask a lot of questions. Like, why are you upset? I’m trying to understand, you know?
Jordan:
Yeah. It’s ridiculous that that’s something that’s drilled into us, that you shouldn’t have to ask questions. But, jumping off of that, another thing that I love about the people in my life with ADHD is hearing about their hyper fixations. Like, tell me about that cool shit that you know a ton of stuff about. That’s fucking awesome. I love that you know that. I’m interested in it because you’re interested in it. What random shit. I love that you love that. I love love.
Lex:
Yeah. The enthusiasm and how contagious it is. It’s really cool. Sorry. I’m not trying to hijack your list. I’m just, yeah, you’re right.
Jordan:
You spent a whole bit talking about how we think a lot of the same things. It’s totally cool. If I say something and you’re like, yeah, I think the same thing. That’s super cool.
Lex:
Okay. I’ll take that.
Jordan:
Another thing I had on my list is resilience and creative problem solving. I feel like by and large, and I will fully admit that this is a generalization.
Lex:
All of these are. We’re coming in hot with the biases today. But we acknowledge that these are generalizations. We acknowledge that this is not the end all be all of anything, really.
Jordan:
This is not relationship advice.
Lex:
No, fuck no. God no.
Jordan:
But I would say there’s a pretty stark difference between what happens if I’ve made plans with a fellow person with ADHD or a neurotypical person, and something happens to those plans. I feel like if I make plans with a neurotypical person and they fall through, they get really upset or they’re like, how could this restaurant close down? How could there be supply chain issues? I can’t believe they don’t have the thing that I wanted to do. There’s a lot of like, oh, we can’t do that thing, it sucks energy. Versus with someone with ADHD, it’s one of two responses. One, okay, let’s do something else. Let’s take another thing to do. I have ten different things I’ve been wanting to try. Let’s go do one of them. We’re still gonna have fun. We’re gonna make whatever we do fun. and that’s great. Or two, which is also great, them being like, great, we’ll do it another time. I’m gonna go home and maybe take a nap. And then I will also go home and take a nap and it’ll be beautiful.
Lex:
Big agree. Big agree. Yeah.
Jordan:
God damnit.
Lex:
It’d be interesting to hear how other people feel about this. ‘Cause, again, this isn’t the end all be all, but I’ve always been pretty insulted by those types of blogs and it’s pretty unfortunate that you kind of have to scroll to second, third page Google to get any options that aren’t romantic partnership related or parent child relationships or positive.
Jordan:
I counted. Sorry.
Lex:
You counted how many?
Jordan:
The first article that wasn’t purely negative was the 24th.
Lex:
24th page or 24th article?
Jordan:
Article.
Lex:
So, what, second page?
Jordan:
Third page.
Lex:
Third page. Okay.
Jordan:
Well, I mean third or fourth, because there was also a ton of those suggested article. Infinite scroll on Google on the phone. Just awful for rank. Awful but wild. And that article was the challenges and benefits.
Lex (32:34):
At least they got both in there. But at the same time, bananas. So it’d be interesting to hear what y’all think of that sort of portrayal of all of us folks with ADHD and maybe how it makes you feel. And if it makes you feel similarly angry, tell us, we’ll be there in solidarity. And if not, really would like to hear other viewpoints. We are big fans of nuanced conversation and everything, but podcasts, famously super good for once.
Jordan:
Great research goes into all of our episodes. We’re always very intentional and serious with our conversations.
Lex:
Super academic always.
Jordan:
Unbiased. You know, we try to take the personal ones out of it.
Lex:
Yeah, no [inaudible] here at all. None. Okay. So, I think having ADHD can suck sometimes, but it also fucking rules and it doesn’t make me a bad person to date. So that’s my thesis statement to wrap it up, which is kind of the same as yours, just in a different, more aggressive, personal note. Did you have anything else to add?
Jordan:
Did I have anything else to add?
Lex:
I didn’t have anything else on my list. I just wanna check before I ask you to jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump.
Jordan:
To the Domine Trampoline? Let’s go.
Lex:
Ba-boing. Yeah. Welcome to the Dopamine Trampoline. Otherwise known as DT. It’s the place where we like to hop on over and talk about things that have been giving us dopamine lately or sometimes things that gave us dopamine in the past.
Jordan:
Sometimes it’s childhood. Sometimes it’s, I’ll say two weeks ago, but it was actually four months cuz I don’t know how time passes.
Lex:
It’s circular. It’s circular and flat. It’s a flat circle.
Jordan (34:21):
It’s like the ouroboros from earlier.
Lex:
Yeah, exactly. We’re really getting into some deep ontological, philosophical sort of discussions here. So what’s your DT this week?
Jordan:
What is my DT this week? Do you have a DT this week?
Lex:
I was gonna think of it while you were giving yours. Panic. Panic.
Jordan:
Oh, I have one.
Lex:
Oh, okay. Good.
Jordan:
My Dopamine Trampoline is a new restaurant that I found. I didn’t find it.
Lex:
I was gonna say, did you discover it like fucking Magellan? Not to say Magellan discovered shit. None of them did, right. There were people there before, but yeah, it’s a turn of speech. You know what I mean?
Jordan:
There were also people at this restaurant before, but it was the first time I found out about it.
Lex:
New to you.
Jordan (35:16):
New to me. Like an already perfectly worn in pair of jeans.
Lex:
Yeah. So tell me about this denim restaurant. This destaurant. Jestaurant?
Jordan:
Jestaurant?
Lex:
Right? It’s a jean restaurant. Okay. Tell me about the jestaurant.
Jordan:
Absolutely. My coworker actually discovered this restaurant via Google and we had a work lunch there last week and it was way more fun than something called a work lunch would be. I had some what?
Lex:
Oh, to be fair. Jordan’s coworkers are really cool.
Jordan:
They are.
Lex:
So there isn’t really anything that could be construed as a boring work lunch for them.
Jordan:
That’s true.
Lex:
So all of your work lunches are fun.
Jordan:
Oh yeah, absolutely. I just mean in the general corporate sense. If someone said work lunch to me, I would go hide in the bathroom until I die.
Lex:
Okay. So you’re just imagining a sad sweaty man eating a limp salad while doing his work and taking calls over lunch.
Jordan:
Or a lunch and learn situation where there are PowerPoints involved and the driest sandwiches you’ve ever had in your life. And you’re like, at least there’s a cookie in the end, but then somehow the cookie is also bad. Not even, you thought it was chocolate chip and it was oatmeal raisin.
Lex:
Just dry and crumbly, but not in a good way. In a way that makes it feel like styrofoam in your mouth. No flavor. I know the ones. Cater cookies. Anyways. So you were on your work lunch. That was not like that scenario that we just described.
Jordan:
So my lovely work lunch.
Lex:
The fun, cool work lunch.
Jordan:
Not like other work lunches. It’s an outdoor restaurant entirely. They don’t even have an inside to sit. So I think they’re closed over the winter, but it’s up in Rogers Park, right on the beach, which is nice. It’s entirely outdoor. They don’t even have an indoor to the restaurant. You have to walk in to order and then you walk back outside. So a little more airflow, a little more safe, which was nice. And literally right by the beach, there were so many good dogs. There was a beautiful breeze. They have this, it’s not a covered patio, but they have a cover frame that just has plants.
Lex:
Like a pergola?
Jordan:
Yeah. Kind of, yeah. Pergola-esque,
Lex:
A large scale, commercial venue pergola, wood frame with plants on it?
Jordan:
It wasn’t wood and it didn’t look like it.
Lex:
Because pergolas don’t have to be wood. They traditionally are, but yeah. It’s not a pergola. I take it back.
Jordan:
I’m not schooled enough on the nuances of pergolas to confirm or deny whether the structure in question was a capital P pergola.
Lex:
Well, we just need to go back to find out.
Jordan (38:06):
I guess we do. And we should because it was delightful.
Lex:
Amazing. Yeah. And good dogs on the beach. Good breeze.
Jordan:
Good dogs on the beach. Good breeze. Good food. I had some pineapple jerk chicken nachos. A huge serving, one of those hot dog boats, but literally full. If you put another hot dog boat on top of it, it wouldn’t touch the bottom.
Lex:
Like a proper Chicago American serving size. Okay. say what you will about serving sizes here, but they’re good for leftovers.
Jordan:
They’re great for leftovers.
Lex:
Like the people who think that we eat it all in one sitting, across the pond, like, can you believe American portion sizes? They eat all of that? No wonder they have a problem, but it’s like, okay, first of all, fuck off. You have several problems that just, this isn’t one of them. And also.
Jordan:
Have you heard of styrofoam containers?
Lex:
Have you heard of fucking leftovers? What do you use your oven for? What’s the point of an air fryer if it’s not to reheat those rangoons?
Jordan:
Bad news, guys. You can’t put beans in there, sorry.
Lex:
Were you just taking a tar? Like, you can’t put beans on toast in an air fryer? Get fuck, Brits. Get fucked, Brits.
Jordan:
I almost like get fuck better.
Lex:
Get fuck, Brits.
Jordan:
Anyways, food was really good. My coworkers said that everything they had was pretty good too. Apparently the lobster roll was a star. I personally have never had a lobster roll in my life, but I like both lobsters and rolls. So I would be open to it. They had sangria, they have drinks. They have drinks. It was a 12 ounce to-go-cup of sangria.
Lex (39:47):
Oh, shut the fuck up. Oh, now we’re talking. Okay. So they got drinks. Okay. Okay. I was like, yeah. I mean, I love a good bevvy. Most restaurants do have them, but a drink.
Jordan:
I should have specified. I should have opened with that.
Lex:
A capital D drink.
Jordan:
Yes, sir.
Lex:
Sorry I said D like that. It’s like that episode of Workin’ Moms where Anne and Lionel are trying to teach their daughter Alice self-defense and Anne starts talking about how you need to aim for the D and the balls basically. And then they just are screaming D, D, D, D, and Lionel is appropriately frightened of his wife in that moment. [inaudible] I’m sure. Oh, of course Anne, it’s part of the program.
Jordan (40:36):
It is. Yeah. It’s a significant feature.
Lex:
It’s a part of the program. Program. The program.
Jordan:
Ah, yeah, I get it. I get it now. It’s such a good show.
Lex:
It’s a great show.
Jordan:
Is that your DT?
Lex:
No. No, it probably will be eventually. I’ve been thinking about how I keep bringing TV and movies as my DTs. And each time I do it, I’m like, this is stupid. I can’t play a clip for you all. I can’t give out my Hulu password to our entire audience, unfortunately. My account would get shut down so fast. If I could, I would though. Just know that if I could, I would. The corporation won this one. But if I could give out all of my streaming passwords, I would. But I do hope that you all have been able to watch Shoresy, read my DT from last episode. I stand by it. All of it. It’s a fucking great show. Rewatched it again this past weekend ‘cause I introduced yet another friend to it and got them started on it. And so naturally after they left, I was like, well it’s already playing. So I guess I’ll just have to watch the rest of the season.
Jordan:
Got it. Yeah. Natch.
Lex:
Yeah, but that’s not my DT.
Jordan:
That’s fair. The only other thing I’m gonna say about this restaurant is that it’s in a public park. So like I mentioned, really good dogs. It was very delightful. I was also talking to my director for the theater company that I work with on Monday and he was telling me about, oh my wife and I just tried this great restaurant by our house, it’s called the Waterfront Cafe. And I was like, oh my God, that’s it. That’s the place. It’s so good. So it is universally beloved by the seven other people I’ve surveyed.
Lex:
Yeah. That’s definitely universal. That’s what universal means.
Jordan:
Yep. Sure is.
Lex (42:25):
We’re very, very credible on this podcast.
Jordan:
I’ve been called a lot of things in my life, but God, credible, never heard that one before.
Lex:
Yeah. Me neither. But that’s probably ‘cause I lie a lot.
Jordan:
Credible. It’s a low blow. Anyways. That’s my Dopamine Trampoline. Nice outdoor restaurant. Good sangria.
Lex:
I can’t wait to go there with you.
Jordan:
Yeah. I also didn’t know this until we were already there and it was too late. They did not have them on their menu on the website, but they had it on the menu.
Lex:
On their physical menu.
Jordan:
Yeah. They have desserts. They had a brownie and a strawberry shortcake.
Lex:
Oh, shut the fuck up.
Jordan:
Right?
Lex:
What? Hello? Okay. Hold on. I know you said you should have led with the 12 ounce sangria. You should have led with the strawberry shortcake.
Jordan:
Saving the best for last, baby.
Lex (43:13):
Okay. Yeah. That’s fair.
Jordan:
It’s dessert.
Lex:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you’re right, you’re right. I am always very tempted to eat my dessert before anything else though?
Jordan:
No judgment, you know, as they say, life is short.
Lex:
Eat the shortcake.
Jordan:
Yep. That’s how that phrase goes.
Lex:
It is. It is. It is.
Jordan:
I want that to be the phrase so bad right now. I want to live that phrase.
Lex:
Yeah. I want strawberry shortcake so bad. We do have fresh pineapple that we can cut up.
Jordan:
That’s true.
Lex:
We should make smoothies later. You wanna make smoothies after this?
Jordan:
Let’s do it.
Lex:
Sweet. I’m so sweaty.
Jordan:
Yeah, bud. What’s your DT?
Lex:
Let’s do it. Let’s whip through this. Do you know why I like strawberries so much?
Jordan:
Why do you like strawberries so much, Lex?
Lex:
It’s in my fucking blood. You wanna know why?
Jordan (43:55):
Because you are strawberry shortcake. Like the nineties cartoon character.
Lex:
No, but I did love her. Loved her.
Jordan:
Who didn’t?
Lex:
Who didn’t?
Jordan:
Charming.
Lex:
So charming. And also, her name is Strawberry. I want my name to be Strawberry.
Jordan:
There you go.
Lex:
I could do that. I guess we figured out my name journey after all this long time. Okay. So, but it’s in my blood cuz I’m a Fraser.
Jordan:
We’re doing it. Huh?
Lex:
We’re doing it. So recently I’ve been doing some digging into my genealogy because, long story short, my family on my mom’s side comes from a long line of Appalachian hillbillies, I say that with all the love and respect in my heart, who didn’t give a flying fuck about keeping birth and death records very well at all until the mid 1800’s. And even then it’s dicey. So we grew up with the understanding that my grandpa was Croatian and my grandma was a mutt and she would refer to everyone as like, oh, we’re just mutts. Well, her last name was Frasier, the bastardized spelling of the Scottish Fraser. And I had never met my maternal grandmother. She died before I was born. She and my mom weren’t very close. And so I never really heard stories about her growing up that were good. So truthfully I don’t really care that much about feeling connected to my grandmother or feeling connected to my ancestors in that way. But I’m one of those people that’s been like, so where are we from? I know grandpa was Croatian and we have relatives in Croatia still. That’s cool. I’m a quarter Croatian, great, whatever. But dad’s side, they can trace a lot of people back to England and Germany and, you know, all the usual places where the whites come from. But what about mom’s mom? And my mom had no answers for me cuz grandma Eva just said we were mutts. And we are, to be fair, which I did find out cuz I decided to just take the full plunge and get a DNA test and everything done too. So I got confirmation of a lot of things, but I also was able to piece together my maternal grandmother’s lineage as a Frasier. And she’s a direct descendant of one of seven members of Clan Fraser of Lovat in the Scottish Highlands who immigrated to the United States specifically North Carolina and Tennessee, West Virginia, you know, those areas. And if you’re like, why does Clan Fraser of Lovat sound so familiar? It’s because it’s the clan featured heavily in Outlander. It’s ‘cause it’s Outlander. Jamie Fraser, hunky redhead. Je suis prest man, smoldering dude from the Scottish Highlands, who’s usually shirtless for no reason.
Jordan:
Maybe being sweaty runs in the family.
Lex (46:47):
It does. I’m so sweaty. But, you know, if that’s why it sounds familiar that’s cuz it’s one of the biggest Scottish Highland clans and they’re known as the Ferocious Frasers. They have a saying, je suis prest, which is I am ready. Ready for what? I don’t know. We’re just fucking ready, okay? And so turns out-
Jordan:
Wait a second. Was SpongeBob a Fraser?
Lex:
I’m ready. I’m ready. Probably. SpongeBob, Clan Fraser of Lovat. Confirmed. So lemme tell you a little bit about finding out that you’re a part of a Scottish Highland clan, right. Or that you’re a descendant of one.
Jordan:
Tell us.
Lex:
Everything in your life up to this point starts to make a lot more sense. When your family’s just like, yeah, I don’t know. We’re all just kind of aggressive. We’re all just pretty loyal and like to have a good time. But if you hurt one of our own, we will fucking kill you. And wouldn’t you know it, that’s a pretty common theme among Clan Fraser of Lovat.
Jordan:
They’re rowdy boys.
Lex:
Rowdy boys. Like one of my ancestors, Lord Simon Lovat. He was the last person to be beheaded in the United Kingdom.
Jordan:
Wild.
Lex:
For treason.
Jordan:
Nice, nice.
Lex:
Like the crown. You know, yeah. And a lot of people from Scotland immigrated to the United States. I’m not one of a few, there’s many. And a lot of those families bred like rabbits. And that’s another reason that it’s kind of hard to keep track of all the lineage shit because it’s these giant farming families that had 20 kids each and those kids had 20 kids each. And so making that connection took me literally all night. I was digging through records all night. I stayed up to do this. And I think you may recall, long time audience members, that Jordan did this as well once. Stayed up very late. Almost all night looking up lineage type things and got some really funny information. I didn’t get anything funny on its own, right? No one in my family had silly names or weird shit like that. No, no, no, no.
Jordan:
No Hannah Burger Teeter?
Lex:
No, no Hannah Burger Teeter here. But think about how you have to reconcile the fact that you have-
Jordan:
My mom listens to this podcast
Lex:
Had inappropriate thoughts, and may or may not have acted upon said inappropriate thoughts by yourself, about a certain character in the show Outlander, who happens to be hunky and redheaded and shirtless most of the time and always ready. And you find out that that’s a fictional version of your great grandpa. Your fucking seven times great grandpa is Jamie goddamn Fraser. You’re telling me that that hottie is the reason that I’m alive? Are you fucking kidding me? Sorry.
Jordan:
I’m sorry, bro.
Lex:
But it’s fine. I’m fine. It’s not like I’m related to Sam Heughan, the guy who plays Jamie in Outlander. We’re not related. He’s from a completely different clan in the Highlands. It’s fine. We’re fine.
Jordan:
We’re just cousins.
Lex:
We’re just fine. It’s fine. We’re white. So it’s normal. Just kidding. It’s not normal. Please, please, don’t do that. Actually it is pretty normal historically, but it’s not now. So don’t do that.
Jordan:
Because we know what happens genealogically.
Lex (50:17):
Yeah, no, we know what happens with your DNA when you get yeah. You know, bad, bad, bad. Probably does explain why I’m so fucked up sometimes. Generations of inbreeding. It’s fine.
Jordan:
That’ll do it.
Lex:
Just a little icing on the cake with the whole whole DNA thing. Right. I get my results back and I’m able to tie things back to, you know, the UK, France, Ireland, and obviously Croatia, and some other areas in the Balkans. The Iberian peninsula showed up in there. I have no clue who in my ancestry is Spanish or Portuguese, but I’ll take it. And then also, you know, just fucking call me Elizabeth Warren, cuz I got 0.1% indigenous American blood as well. Yeah. That’s not reflected in my family history. So let that sink in. Okay. I was not expecting that result. I do not claim that result, just to clarify. I spent two years of my life dedicating my entire academic career to learning about Pacific Northwest tribes. And this one ancestor had to be looking down on me like, what the fuck? What the fuck? They’re on the other side of the country. What are you doing? What are you? You know? So anyways, that’s been a lot to chew on. But also, yeah, found out I’m descended from a Highland Clan and they’re notably one of the biggest, fiercest, rowdiest clans. Granted, most Highland clans are. Sort of par for the course. And that’s what I appreciate about it. Genuinely very sad history. Didn’t realize this before I found out all this genealogical stuff and I started doing more research, but, you know, a lot of historians call what happened to the Scottish Highlands ethnic cleansing and genocide, which, you don’t hear that in history books these days, probably cuz the crown doesn’t wanna have yet another thing on its ledger, but, you know, it happened and they did. They sure did kill a lot of them, including one of my ancestors, chopping his head off. Apparently he was a dick. So, you know, 50/50, but yikes.
Jordan:
Had a little bit of a redemption there. It sounds like it.
Lex:
Yeah, no, I mean, he was playing both sides of the field. So he was giving money to the crown as well as money to Charles Stewart in the rebellion. So he was playing both sides. And then got beheaded for betraying the crown.
Jordan:
And now you have “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” tattooed on your body. Probably looking down on that one like, glad you figured that out before I did, kid.
Lex:
Yeah. So if you’ve been wondering, where does Lex get it from? And by it, I mean the ephemeral muchness, a lotness about me.
Jordan:
The ephemeral muchness sounds like the dark academia novel of our generation.
Lex (53:02):
I’ll get on that, I guess. Yeah. Now you know, cuz I’m fucking Clan Fraser of Lovat, bitch.
Jordan:
I do have to ask the question that I’m sure all of our audience has been wondering and begging for an answer to.
Lex:
If you ask me which scene it was from Outlander, I’m gonna choke you.
Jordan:
I absolutely was not going to ask that. I would love to never ever know that.
Lex:
Thank you. Okay.
Jordan:
I was gonna ask what does that have to do with strawberries?
Lex:
Oh yeah. yeah. Fraser, it’s French.
Jordan:
I know this one actually.
Lex:
Yeah, but if you don’t know it’s a French last name because a lot of Highland clans have French sayings and French names cuz of the Stewarts and whatever. Scotland and France they’ve been besties for a while. Iffie besties, love/hate besties.
Jordan:
Frenemies?
Lex (53:46):
Yeah. But definitely closer to besties than England and France by a long shot. So fuck you, England. But if you don’t know, actually, you’re the one good at French. Hit us with that strawberry word in French.
Jordan:
Fraise. So Fraise-er.
Lex:
Fraser, Fraser. Yeah. Yeah. So there are actually two Clan Frasers, there’s Clan Fraser and Clan Fraser of Lovat. Clan Fraser of Lovat is the one that I’m descended from. And that is the one that is located in Inverness. And the other one is a lowlands clan or at least further south in the Highlands. So jot that down. But it is cute because both seals at different points in history have had strawberries in them, which I think is so cute.
Jordan:
It’s delightful.
Lex:
Yeah. The current Clan Fraser of Lovat emblem doesn’t have that on it anymore, but I think the other Clan Fraser still has strawberries on theirs.
Jordan:
That I did not know.
Lex:
Yeah. I’m not positive. Again, we’re not credible. But isn’t that funny? I don’t know. So that’s been occupying a lot of my brain space.
Jordan:
It has. It’s been a journey.
Lex:
It’s been a journey. Sorry, seven times great-grandpa. I didn’t know. Father, forgive me for I know not what I have done.
Jordan:
To be clear, that specifically is not your Dopamine Trampoline, the whole genealogy journey.
Lex:
The whole genealogy journey, yeah. And it’s Dopamine Trampoline with some spicy, not as fun Dopamine. Right. But it’s definitely been giving me dopamine. It’s been getting those receptors flaring. Yeah. For better or worse. That’s been a big fixation for me lately.
Jordan:
It sucks you in.
Lex:
It really does. Really does. Speaking of sucking in, do you want to go make some smoothies? And suck those down a straw.
Jordan:
Absolutely. Abso-fucking-lutely.
Lex:
Sweet.
Jordan:
Alright. This has been hole, whoa, that’s not-
Lex:
This has been hole hole hole hole hole! Okay. Sorry.
Jordan:
This has been Or, Learn Parkour from Wholehearted Production Company.
Lex:
You can find us on Spotify, Apple podcasts, Stitcher, you know, places where you can find podcasts.
Jordan:
Special thanks to Krizia Perito for our wonderful cover art design. You can find her at Petalhop, that’s P-E-T-A-L-H-O-P on Instagram, Twitter, and Etsy.
Lex:
Big thanks to Tom Rosenthal for our theme song, There is a Dark Place off of the album Keep a Private Room Behind the Shop.
Jordan:
You can follow us on the soshe meeds, @orlearnparkour on Twitter @weareWPC on Instagram, and on our very fancy little website wearewpc.com.
Lex:
Yeah, you can find links to all that good stuff, as well as sources and transcripts in our episode description.
Jordan (56:29):
If you enjoy this podcast and wanna hear more, now, right now is the time now to click-
Lex:
Hole!
Jordan:
The button.
Lex:
Sorry. We were yelling. So just, hole. Cool.
Jordan:
Now is the time for-
Lex:
Hole hole, okay. Sorry. Okay.
Jordan:
I normally say follow, subscribe here, but I understand if you don’t wanna do that at this point.
Lex:
Why? ‘Cause I have been yelling hole. Yeah. Okay.
Jordan:
If you hear us shouting hole-
Lex:
And think boy howdy, how would I like to shout for some hole.
Jordan:
And wanna start your own podcast, there’s a link in our episode description to our Buzzsprout affiliate link. If you start any paid plan with them, you get a deal. We get a bit of money back, helps us keep our cute little disco lights on and also we’ll love you forever.
Lex:
Yeah. Plus if you are gonna go through the process of making a podcast, just so you can scream hole, I would like to hear it, personally. I think it’d be really funny. And I think there’s something there.
Jordan:
The level of commitment that requires would be astounding to the hole.
Lex:
Yeah. Do it before we get there. That’s a challenge.
Jordan:
Get on it. Get in it.
Lex:
Something else you could get into is sharing the show. Get into some conversations. Get into some connections with other people, whether they have ADHD or not. You can tell ’em about this podcast. And if you also have money, you can give us money. We have a Ko-fi, it’s in our linktree on our Twitter and Instagram and website.
Jordan:
Tell you what, audience, you listen to the show and you think to yourself, boy howdy, this has inspired me. Either I have ADHD and there’s somebody that I want to relationship. Or there is somebody with ADHD that I would like to relationship. We will make a little cut of this show that just says hole, hole, hole, hole, that you can send to your beloved.
Lex:
Works like a charm.
Jordan:
I’m Jordan
Lex:
And I’m Lex.
Jordan:
This has been a fucking disaster. See you in two weeks.
Lex (58:46):
Hole hole hole hole!